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AK draw on suited flop AK draw on suited flop

04-06-2010 , 07:42 PM
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($11.40)
UTG ($6.90)
MP ($29.75)
CO ($37.65)
Button ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
UTG calls $0.50, MP bets $2, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises $8.75, 3 folds, CO calls $7

Flop: ($21) J, 9, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $33, CO calls $28.65 (All-In)

Turn: ($78.30) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($78.30) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $78.30

Only had 4 hands on my opponent so theres no real value in posting his stats.

When he flats my 3bet I gottap resume he mostly has pocket pairs in his range. I'd assume that he would 4bet with AA, KK and probably QQ too though sometimes I suppose some players might flat those.

When this flop comes down, because of his stack size relative to the pot I wasn't sure what to do so I ended up just betting him all in. I'm not sure if it makes a difference betting all in here or betting say $17 or so here. If he has a hand he wants to play it'll go in regardless.

Is there an alternative way to play this hand or is it all pretty standard?
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04-06-2010 , 07:43 PM
lol, i guess its OK cause villian is short but u ever think about checking........?
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04-06-2010 , 07:49 PM
betting is def number one in my opinon we have lots of equity in the hand (not really a showdownable hand by river if we don't improve in a ton of spots however) and we also have a great deal of FE, i don't see how you can merit not betting..
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04-06-2010 , 08:28 PM
I agree with human here...

atj8 why do you recommend the check? Surely betting the flop is the correct move due to all of the equity, which quickly gets reduced heavily on the turn...

The showdown equity and fold equity here would mean I'm pushing this flop everytime...
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04-06-2010 , 08:33 PM
i'm not saying check is the right play here, but we squeezed with a hand which sort of connected and we're not really sure where we are at. normally a good sized bet here would be fine but our villian is short, so a bet really commits us. i like the check here to try to improve because if we bet and called we're almost always getting it in bad. best case scenario we're about 50-70% vs QQ/Jx, worst case we're about 25-35% vs KK/AA/set/flush. you have equity no matter what so betting cant be bad, but it's really about if you like getting your money in bad or not.

and i definitely like shoving more than a bet BTW. if that wasnt obvious
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04-06-2010 , 08:36 PM
i like it. don't really see any other way to play the hand, altho i might just pot it. he's shoving if he's got a hand he likes.
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04-06-2010 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Comstizzle
i like it. don't really see any other way to play the hand, altho i might just pot it. he's shoving if he's got a hand he likes.
can you prove this? i would stove it but i am at school.

when i quoted this it said shows profit over the longrun.. lol

and why would you pot it if you're calling a shove anyways.... more FE in shoving.
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04-06-2010 , 08:54 PM
I did consider checking at first but then I wasn't sure how I would play the hand on the turn if it checked back and I missed, I also would struggle to get equity from another flush because he could only have either K or Q flush I'd imagine.
Also if he bets the flop I'm CRAI. So I figured I should just shove it in.
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04-06-2010 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ajt8
i'm not saying check is the right play here, but we squeezed with a hand which sort of connected and we're not really sure where we are at. normally a good sized bet here would be fine but our villian is short, so a bet really commits us. i like the check here to try to improve because if we bet and called we're almost always getting it in bad. best case scenario we're about 50-70% vs QQ/Jx, worst case we're about 25-35% vs KK/AA/set/flush. you have equity no matter what so betting cant be bad, but it's really about if you like getting your money in bad or not.

and i definitely like shoving more than a bet BTW. if that wasnt obvious
while a set on this board is definatly possible it represents a pretty small chunk of his range.. KcX is calling, top pair hands are not folding as well QQ which we are actually a favorite vs. if the combo villian has doesn't contain club and we are just barely behind a combo of QQ containing a club.
also something small note the amount of villian bought in for.. doesn't necessarily mean he is a fish but regs most certainly don't tend to buy in for less then 100 bbs so villian is a little more likely to have a wider range imo..
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04-07-2010 , 02:31 AM
I like the flop shove, i'd play the same way
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04-07-2010 , 03:52 AM
results?
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04-07-2010 , 04:02 AM
It is fine, checking is annoying!!!
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04-07-2010 , 05:55 AM
I'd say shoving is best. Checking the flop could bring us into an awful spot if villain checks behind and we don't improve on the turn. On the flop we have a lot of equity vs. his range and a lot of fold equity to win this pot right away, so why checking the flop and risking to lose a bunch of our showdown equity? given villains stack size (often a good indicator) i assume he is a bad player so we might even get a lot more calls than we expect (8-9 and stuff like that).

well played imo
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04-07-2010 , 07:58 AM
I would most certainly not check the flop.

C/C is horrible. C/f sucks. B/f is horrible. B/C is meh. NH OP.
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04-07-2010 , 08:21 AM
why do people think shoving gives us more FE here? In my experience villains will see a shove as bluffy here. I dont mind shoving and it wont usually make any difference but Im probably just b/c 14 here, as villain is very unlikely to flat anyway.
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