These spots don't come up very often and I'm pretty lost when they do. I had intended on calling a 5bet shove in both scenarios. Hand 1 villain is a confirmed fish. Saw him get it in pre UTG vs BB with AQo and hand two villain seems fishy (huge stack but not a reg so prob a gambool fish) and has already been seen to 3bet from CO vs UTG with AQo, though only 15 hands.

So, what do you do when u wiff flop here? If you cbet, how big?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 108.3 BB
CO: 117.6 BB (VPIP: 20.57, PFR: 11.35, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, Hands: 144)
BTN: 139.1 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 41.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 361.3 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 16.25, 3Bet Preflop: 19.23, Hands: 83)
BB: 133.1 BB (VPIP: 46.05, PFR: 36.84, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 78)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.39, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 134)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 9.5 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, BB calls 13.5 BB

Flop: (46.5 BB, 2 players) Q 4 T
BB checks, Hero ???



PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 114.1 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 110.9 BB (VPIP: 23.82, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 6.35, Hands: 329)
SB: 280.6 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
BB: 214.2 BB (VPIP: 16.50, PFR: 7.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 105)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, SB calls 12 BB

Flop: (47 BB, 2 players) 5 J 2
SB checks, Hero???

I'm checking back in both.

How many would consider flatting 3B in both hands a viable option?

Flat pre is definitely a valid option sometimes, just wouldn't against these two crazies.

Only thing you might have to watch is if you're not 4-bet/calling AK then you're only doing it with AA-QQ and could easily end up 4-bet bluffing too much. But those are range considerations that might not matter depending on villain.

In my opinion, if villain is complete AgroDonk I would have just called the 3bet pre-flop. Hit top pair and Call down. AK in my opinion is a great hand to 4bet against tighter players that have some light 3bets and will take AQ or JJ to the felt.. In fact I wouldnt 4bet any value hands and just let him bluff it off.

However as played I would shove hand one. We know he doesn't have AQ because he shoved that hand earlier and we have a Gutshot and two overs and the pot is too big.
Hand to I would check and fold unless I hit A or K on the turn.

What exactly are you guys meaning when you say light 3Bets? This is definitely not meant to be a troll. As I understand it most ranges should have a bluff portion so when someone says light 3bets does he mean the bluff portion of a balanced range or that villain is bluffing more often that his value range supports?

XF both to any decent bets.

+1 for check both.

Check the first, bet the second, but could check both.

In position, without knowing the opponent will get it in bad or lose control, probably just call the 3 bet preflop.