I have over 10000 hands logged against villain. He is solid, and top 25 PTR grinder consistently. More of a nit if you ask me, but occasionally does some creative things that make me second guess it. His stats are 10/9/50. 3-bet is 5%, and fold to 4-bet is 98%. My image to him is active and aggressive compared to most regulars. I am 21/18/56. Our history together is pretty standard...we've both cracked each others AA/KK with low sets many times, 3-bet pre with marginal hands, etc. I can't tell whether what I did preflop here was better than just shipping.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($51.10)
MP1 ($110)
MP2 ($74.55)
MP3 ($50)
CO ($50.75)
Button ($48.50)
SB ($63.15)
Hero (BB) ($50)
UTG ($67.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
6 folds, Button bets $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.50, Button raises to $13, Hero raises to $28

Just ship if you want to 5-bet - 28 looks so much stronger. But personally I flat and crai on any flop if you ask me based on that fold to 4bet stat.

since you guys have history, just do whatever you do/have done with A5s

FPS IMO, just ship it.

what hand are we flatting a 4bet with besides AA? Will you flat here with AK and KK?

just a question, no harm intended. I'm all for shipping here because I'd do that with AK probably.

I'd flat with KK here too but ship AK I guess - the thing is he's gonna fold alot of the time so let's give him so rope to hang himself instead. If he's 4betting light (most likely IMO) we should try and let him bluff us postflop.

unless youre flatting more than just AA KK to his 4bet, flatting will do nothing but turn your hand completely faceup

True that and I'm aware of this - but I mean shoving here just seems so wrong because we're gonna get folds so often.

ship it,
and whats up with the guy having 5% 3bet and 98% ft4bet, is it real ? this is the most exploitable thing I have ever read

+1

was wondering why no one said anything about that so far.

That's why I'm advocating a flat - 4b bluff this mofo to the poorhouse but play for value with AA

5 betting without shipping is just the worst thing; the only people who do it are fishy players with Aces. If you're going to do it, do it with a bluff rather than AA, since there's some chance he folds KK here. In fact I might start bluffing here and see what happens. Thanks OP!

P.S only applies 100bb deep obv.

The min 5bet classic ... or how to do everything in his power to maximize FE while hoping to achieve the exact opposite ... very clever play.

And lol at 98% fold to 4bet over 10k hands. This can't be true.

Pre-flop is a ship unless villain is 4betting a ton and we want to trap and/or balance our flatting range.

So... you're telling him to...... fold.......?

Ok... I'm being smart, but this really sounds funny to me. Our hero should have two plays here: fold or shove. I know that there's lines you can take versus a 4-bet other than shove, but it is almost always calling when you are 100bb deep and it's really more advanced than I think we should get into (we would also flat with our hands like AK with the intention of stealing). So, assuming we aren't going to get super-advanced in the micros it is kind of silly to say "do the same as you do with A5s" because obviously we aren't folding AA, so clearly we shove. It just makes it sound more complicated than it really is.

FWIW, I think the 4-bet size of choice screams "I HAVE AA!!!" He's not going to spew 6-bet shove almost ever and if he's smart you will let him make a hero fold that he wouldn't made if you just shipped. You can't ever bluff like this as you are priced in with your whole range. Your range for this 5-bet is exclusively hands that are calling. What hands would you do that with? AA and KK. You might get an aware villain to let go of JJ/AK type hands.

After rereading this I went back to the stats and checked his fold to 4-bet pre. It is actually 48%, not 98%, but I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of this decision. Just wanted to clear it up.

flatting 4bets 100bbs deep is weird, please don't start any trends

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