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05-14-2017 , 11:54 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP: $3.34 (167 bb)
    CO: $2 (100 bb)
    BTN: $2 (100 bb)
    Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
    BB: $2.71 (135.5 bb)
    UTG: $2.33 (116.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, BB calls $0.16, BTN folds

    Flop: ($0.42) J 2 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24

    Turn: ($0.90) T (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48

    River: ($1.86) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.10 and is all-in, BB calls $1.10



    I must admit, I hated, hated playing AA with this board OOP. Would you have played this differently? Would you have folded here if raised either OTT or OTR?

    Villain was 64 VP, 18 PFR, 1.7 over 11 hands only.
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    05-15-2017 , 12:00 AM
    I would have bet bigger otf without a heart.
    As played, I would've just jammed turn. He's calling with a bunch of stuff that you beat. Hands like QJ/QT/KJ/AJ/89/Qx/Kx. Additionally we have equity if he has hands like JT/J9/T9.
    River's meh.
    I think having this hand and board in a 3-bet pot and not having over half of your stack by the river is bad.

    edit: why I like shoving. If you bet a good normal size on this board, it'd be $.75. If you bet that, the pot otr will be $2.40 with $.83 behind and leaving behind an spr of .3 ftr on a dynamic board like this makes no sense.
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    05-15-2017 , 12:53 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by .isolated
    I would have bet bigger otf without a heart.
    As played, I would've just jammed turn. He's calling with a bunch of stuff that you beat. Hands like QJ/QT/KJ/AJ/89/QAA OOP into 3-street wet boardxAA OOP into 3-street wet board/KAA OOP into 3-street wet boardxAA OOP into 3-street wet board. Additionally we have equity if he has hands like JT/J9/T9.
    River's meh.
    I think having this hand and board in a 3-bet pot and not having over half of your stack by the river is bad.

    edit: why I like shoving. If you bet a good normal size on this board, it'd be $.75. If you bet that, the pot otr will be $2.40 with $.83 behind and leaving behind an spr of .3 ftr on a dynamic board like this makes no sense.
    I agree with this when we have KK or QQ. I don't like doing this with AA because we block the hand that is most likely to call turn shove (AJ). I also don't think most people cold call QT,98. Prefer check calling river with this.

    You can 3bet bigger when you're OOP ~$0.22
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    05-15-2017 , 12:59 AM
    Nvm misread river card and what you said about proper bet sizing
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    05-15-2017 , 01:10 AM
    I missed that we're facing a cold caller. I was gobsmacked when you said "cold call". Whoops. Despite that, I stand behind everything I said because this guy looks ******ed and I think these absolute droolers will cold call KJ/98s/etc..
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    05-15-2017 , 01:14 AM
    How do you feel about check shoving turn? It lets him stab the pot with flush draws, weaker hands and then they're basically committed at that point.
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    05-15-2017 , 01:28 AM
    I can see an argument for x/r but it's already a 45bb pot and seeing a 7/8/Q/K/ fall if he checks sucks and at that point we're conceding a pretty big pot which I'd rather not do especially since he can bluff those cards very effectively.
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    05-15-2017 , 02:37 AM
    Part of my problem is cause by the fact that I simply suck at value-betting at 2NL in 2017. I am of the old-school, bet-bet-shove, and I have a lot of trouble getting my good hands paid now. I am convinced that it in part why my winrate has been completely reaching down to 0bb/100 since I started to play again.

    It is not the first time I am told to shove the Turn in this kind of situation, though. I just does not enter my head to do so. Maybe it will, one day.
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    05-15-2017 , 12:38 PM
    4x pre OOP, 3/4 flop and jam turn if he's still in there. He's got so many pairs/pairs + draws they refuse to fold.

    Doubtful I'm ever folding if raised either.
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    05-15-2017 , 01:58 PM
    As I general rule, should I increase my raise size PF to 4x as a standard?
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    05-15-2017 , 02:22 PM
    I play 3x 3b here too and did not find anything wrong with the size.
    Postflop it is meh, it is true that AA is no more valuebet otr. On the other hand who would like to x/f otr and V can hardly have enough bluffs to play x/c river.
    Agree that KK/QQ are better hands at least block straights and x/r turn or b/b/b may be interesting move with them.
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    05-15-2017 , 03:11 PM
    I generally do 4x OOP and 3x IP. I add a BB or 2 if it's MW. It's been working for me at least.
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