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04-06-2008 , 10:05 PM

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AcTiOnJaCsOn

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id probabyl call and c/r the turn, getting all in on the flop cant be that bad tho

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04-06-2008 , 10:08 PM

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aislephive

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Folding the flop is gross nitty. I'd just shove now because he isn't raise/folding anything but air here and I really doubt he continues bluffing the turn here after we call off a huge flop raise.

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04-06-2008 , 10:13 PM

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Some9

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Originally Posted by markuisis

Against a range which either beats us or is bluffing (even if you include KxQd type stuff, it's probably shoving most turns after having made the pot so big on the flop) - its clear that shoving is the worst option, especially given the fact that almost no turn card hurts us (3 kings?).

I'm pretty sure the EV of shoving the flop as compared to call/call is much higher vs made flushes and sets, because those hands would not put their stack in if we improve to the winner on the turn. Since the EV vs KQ/KJ is the same, shoving flop is better. Also villian might stack off something combo-drawish like AxQd on the flop but not on the turn.

So I don't see how call/call (or crai turn for that matter) is gonna be better at all.

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04-07-2008 , 06:11 AM

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recallme

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Turn is 4h:
We`ll both check

River is 7d

So i hit my flush, but he could have a boat. Should i shove, induce a bluff or c/f?

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04-07-2008 , 07:01 AM

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schralekerel

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I doubt he has a boat considering the turn check. So I would say valuebet not to big for value out of lower flushes, sets or maybe Kx.

Isnt shoving the flop getting calls from Kx? Cause he can put us on a draw and when he raises that hand he is not going to fold to a shove.

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