Limper was fish with 49/23
Villain was 17/17/ Cbet 1/1 over 25 hands




Well I didnt 3bet cause I wanted to keep fish in.

Flop is pretty dry. Fish checked preflop aggressor checked aswell and I wanted to extract some value from fish. He folds and aggressor called (lol)
He would have bet his TP value hands for value 100% here (cause fish in pot) but he instead check called. Well there's nothing wrong with this, he could still have 99-JJ.
I checked turn back because I thought he his pretty strong here and I think b/f here is pretty weak here.
Then he shipped river pretty quickly. He would have checked 99 and JJ here imo.

Your thoughts?

I think you can bet the turn for one more street of value against 99-JJ, AQ, KQ and the occasional draws, if you get raised you can pretty much easily fold.

As played river is a nice fold, only hand you beat here is KK which he very unlikely has because of turn check

Raise preflop. Bet closer to pot OTF jam turn.

You made this hand much harder than it had to be

Not raising preflop because of fish!
Agree with bigger flop.
I dont think I can jam Turn here profitable against short stack villain. If he is a lil competent then I dont get stacks in OTT with the best hand imo. (99-JJ just fold and AQ/KK would have bet)

bet turn
as played call river wtf son

I'd rather 3bet and keep the fish in because he's ******ed and will likely call anyway.

If these fish fold to 3 bets, compensate by 3-betting more, not by NEVER 3 betting (and it better be never if you are flatting AA. you better not be doing that and bluff 3 betting something else)

wtf i just read ?
are you saying he shouldnt flat AA because he doesnt have a balanced 3b range vs the ss pre? or shouldnt 3b bluff the ss because hes flatting AA.

what

So you think that ppl (at 10NL!!) will exploit me by seeing me one time flatting AA instead of raising pre?

I'm not worried about being exploited. I'm just worried about not exploiting. If they fold too much to 3 bets, punish that by 3 betting more not less. If they don't fold enough, punish it by value 3 betting. Either way 3 betting AA is part of the strategy. It seems that villain would fall in the "fold too much" category (according to your reasoning for flatting). Never 3 betting isn't taking advantage of this. I'm not against flatting AA here ever, but I just don't see why you would. I mean if you think he'll spazz with any connection on flop sure, but with SPR so low why not go for value on turn and why fold river. You have no reason to think he's doing this with only 2 pair+ with such short history and at 10NL

you say to expliot by bluffing then you say 3b AA is part of that strategy
your post hurts my brain /=

Fish is 49/23, so surely you want to get more money in early as hes more likely to call. I would only be flatting AA to keep fish if fish was PFR and SS had 3b him, because by that point the SPR is great for an overpair hand, even if fish folds (exactly 1 actually if fish folds).

His line just doesnt make sense!!? Why would you ever check top pair here? and shove river with top pair?

I'm obviously not saying 3 betting AA here is bluffing. I'm just saying in general you bluff to exploit against this type of opponent. Just because you bluff more doesn't mean you stop 3 betting for value too. I just think that there are situations where you'd flat AA, but they aren't that common.

Maybe I'm an idiot, but am I wrong to want to create an SPR close to 1 where worst case scenario we collect dead money, than to construct a spot where we are folding AA to a shorty with no history on a 4 tone board where ONLY straight is T9?

If I'm off let me know where. Don't just treat me like I'm some idiot with your "brain hurting" so much. Go take an aspirin.

Everyone else is saying the same thing as I too, why am I the idiot ITT?

not saying your an idiot just having to reread your posts was jk.

you said if he folds a ton to 3b we should 3b bluff a ton
agreed
you said AA fits into this strategy.
Im assuming you meant it for balance that we cant just have a 3b range with all bluffs.
that part doesnt make sense. if he folds to much to 3b then expliot by 3b bluffing and flatting value.

agreed assuming we can hand read and outplay post and that villain will never notice this and correctly adjust (but I think this is generally a safe assumption).

I just personally would 3 bet because I'm not just an excellent hand reader yet. And I'm also paranoid that someone will notice this play and I won't personally know until I've spewed too much.

Also we dont have enough info on this player to know he overplays post flops and not pre, so I still think unless we have more hands and he has huge fold to 3, WTSD, cbet, turn (and river) cbet, etc why not 3 here?

Maybe I'm bad at wording what I'm trying to say too.

It's a check for value, so you and fish feel safer. He only needs two streets to get all the money in.
I'm very rarely folding aces against a shortstack.

@DukeOfDeath what hand reading do we need post flop? bloated pot low effective SPR vs pfr and we have AA all in

In this instance you're right, we don't need any. I just meant general. Like if we were deeper stacked against same villain, same position, same action. Or is your flat AA recommendation ONLY when against ss villain?

So would you play the same as OP except get it in when checked to on turn?

if the fish wasnt in the hand i would 3b/stack 100% or if we were in blinds OOP but i just think we make more in long run by keeping in a 100bb fish stack in pot by flatting.
i guess depends on the fish if hes really fit/fold type then i would just 3b/stack vs the short stack before scare cards come. If the fish is cally or spazzy pretty confident flatting will make more.

Bigger OTF. Comfortably stacking on the turn vs. a relatively unknown.