Im guessing this is brought up alot but I am seriously doubting how i handle this situation and I think im burning money.

Ok so I just moved to fulltilt and I have been playing 25nl for a little bit

I really dont care about the particular hand I just want an opinion to how you guys will play this vs an unknown?
Im looking to find out really what kind of range you will assign an unknown 25nl reg.

begins at 2008/07/31
Dealing down cards
Dealt to Hero[Qh Qs]
***** posts the small blind of $0.10
Hero posts the big blind of $0.25
HJ folds.
Villain raises to $0.85.
BTN folds.
SB folds.
Hero raises to $2.80.
Villian raises to $8.50.
Hero calls $5.70.
Dealing Flop [2h Jd Jc]
Hero checks.
Villian checks.
Dealing Turn [8d]
Hero bets $11.
Villain raises to $31.15, and is all-in.
Hero calls $6.40, and is all-in.
Dealing River [8d]
Hero calls.
Villain raises.
Hero shows [Qh Qs]
Hero has Two Pair, Queens and Jacks
Villain shows [Ah Ad]
Villain has Two Pair, Aces and Jacks
Villain wins $49.35


got insta 4 bet I figured this can mean AK alot but basically secound guess that seeing as I have never been shown less than KK after his 4-bet I am totally lost in this spot I dont know what average ranges 25nl regs 4-bet i figured Id see a flop and if no A or K hit I am check raising allin.

The reason I am posting this is because I have been 4-bet 6 times since I started playing 25nl basically all by regs with average stats of about 20/17 ish and 5 times I was shown AA the other time was KK this is very frustrating because it seems like there not even 4 betting lighter than that, I MEAN DO THEY 4-BET AK EVEN I FEEL LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT FOR PAYING THESE HANDS OFF WITH EVEN MY KK! Is this just bad luck?

or should I consider folding KK to these bets unless I have history and a reason not to? that last question was a little sarcastic but I am not sure its of base man I am confused.

I play 25NL on full tilt quite consistently, and you are right there are very few 4 bets going on, in this particular case its tough for me to lay down queens to that board but the reality is that you can really only beat AK or TT in a randoms range. I play it very similarly, except maybe just check the turn and call any Vbet on turn/riv, I think u are f'ed either way. I am sure this dont help much other than to validate your play

in general vs a complete unknown who opens and then 4bets me i fold everything cept KK/AA. Once i get a feel for how hes playing then ill change but my standard line would be to fold QQ here to his 4bet

ty for your reply ya i was thinking about checking the turn but if he had AK i didnt want to give him a free river. I mean I think here i have to play it as though AK is the biggest part in his range and if not I dont think I should call this preflop. but after this hand I think I have had enough paying off these nits and there damn Aces next time I am in this spot I am folding here atleast at 25nl SOMEONE TELL ME I AM WRONG!

ya thank you I think this clears it up.
note:if I see a person call a 3-bet with AK my calling 4-bet range vs them will instantly be changed to AA and AA only
in 25nl that is

I've been having the same problem a lot lately, and in that spot JJ+ is almost never good. So calling the 4 bet\folding is super bad, but I think that crai is bad too because you basically have no info on his hand except that maybe you beat the very bottom and smallest part of his range. Unless you intend to play for stacks dont call a 4bet

4bet/fold is really bad because most 25nl people play AK like AA or KK (i.e try and get the money in ASAP).