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01-19-2016 , 08:07 AM

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Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 4,479

MP is a nit
Co is a spew tard

What are we doing OTT? Was this fine as played so far?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 82)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.47, PFR: 22.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
MP: 190.6 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 10.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
CO: 105.4 BB (VPIP: 67.11, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 8.57, Hands: 76)
BTN: 78.8 BB (VPIP: 14.61, PFR: 1.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 89)
Hero (SB): 133.8 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, MP raises to 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, MP calls 8 BB, CO calls 8 BB

Flop: (37 BB, 3 players) 3

Hero bets 19.4 BB, MP raises to 38.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 19.4 BB

Turn: (114.6 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, MP bets 75 BB

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01-19-2016 , 08:13 AM

Shamway99

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Sqz bigger size. As played fold river.

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01-19-2016 , 08:17 AM

btthywrsooted

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,515

How do you range nitty MP here?

Looks like a fold ott....

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01-19-2016 , 08:43 AM

derjan

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,606

How can we fold this? he is not playing a 3 is he?

So I'd shove the flop.

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01-19-2016 , 08:44 AM

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Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 4,479

88, TT-QQ, he might even click QQ back pre though..., KQcc, is that really raising flop? I can easily just come over the top of him if he does that and he doesn't have Ac.

I'm pretty lost OTT

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01-19-2016 , 08:50 AM

derjan

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,606

It might be some sort of an 'info raise' to see where he is at with a pp. Doubt he'll play the clubdraw this way with the paired board and you don't want to see an all in with that.
And it is debatable wheter he is raising a FH on this flop.

So I think I'd call him down.

He might have the QxQc or a hand alike so thinking he has the best hand and a redraw if he turns out to be wrong.

Last edited by derjan; 01-19-2016 at 08:57 AM.

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01-19-2016 , 09:37 AM

Blue-chip-tuna

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Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 408

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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

How do you range nitty MP here?

Looks like a fold ott....

F OTT? Then you may as well F flop.
V isnt raising flop with a FH, so its gotta be an overpair. & 3X isnt in their range.

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01-19-2016 , 09:42 AM

donkeyshot

adept

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,029

I'd prob jam flop. Would be unreal if he plays 88 this way, esp w/ the spew tard yet to act.
He's most likely trying to gii w/ an overpair imo.

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01-19-2016 , 09:43 AM

derjan

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,606

Agree.

70 hands is just too little to give him credit for a hand here. Think we have to pay him off if he has it

But I expect to be running into a lower pp often enough

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01-19-2016 , 09:46 AM

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Blue-chip-tuna

grinder

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Originally Posted by donkeyshot

I'd prob jam flop. Would be unreal if he plays 88 this way, esp w/ the spew tard yet to act.
He's most likely trying to gii w/ an overpair imo.

But then stuff like 99-QQ probably F.

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01-19-2016 , 10:17 AM

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btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by derjan

But I expect to be running into a lower pp often enough

You really think a nit plays a lower PP like this? Very unlikely....

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01-19-2016 , 10:37 AM

#12

Shamway99

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Eh.. We should consider few things... First MP is not a proven nit... Second his calling range may be pretty wide, cos we did small sqz and there is a possible fish in the hand...
Third playing mid pocket pairs postflop as it were value hands is really bad play...
All in all we are very likely behind after this action and club runout.

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01-19-2016 , 11:01 AM

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SharkytheFish

adept

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,114

If villain is a nit this is a strange spot. A lot of tight players slow down on this turn with just an overpair. You wouldnt imagine there is any 3x in his range and you block one of the flushes or flush draws he could have. I think you can justify a call but this is still 88 or a made flush fairly often.

Last edited by SharkytheFish; 01-19-2016 at 11:02 AM. Reason: mistake

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01-19-2016 , 11:08 AM

#14

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Pooh-Bah

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Will post results later

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01-19-2016 , 11:48 AM

#15

Quetzalcatalyst

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Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 243

Flop action looks like he's trying to get it in with an overpair to the board but a call is probably better than a shove to keep some occasional bluffs/draws in and not get stacked against 88. Turn is pretty wonky you have great equity against a range of QQ+, 88, and KcQc that might do this but it's hard to imagine the overpairs really bombing the turn once the club hits. Pretty torn you get great odds to call flop raise so it's mandatory but the turn action almost always indicates that you are behind.

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01-19-2016 , 01:35 PM

#16

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Pooh-Bah

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We got it in turn and villain had JJ no club..? River 2c, ship it

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01-19-2016 , 01:39 PM

#17

derjan

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Pfew

Two plus two for the best advice

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01-19-2016 , 02:04 PM

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Swedishmonkey

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Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,713

Bigger pre!!!

Jam flop. If you don't want to jam fold and just put him on 88. But hink he can have kk-QQ in his range

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