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09-08-2019 , 10:05 PM

AskZandar

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.02, PFR: 18.24, 3Bet Preflop: 7.86, Hands: 451)
SB: 219.5 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 55.56, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
CO: 99 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4

CO raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) K

Hero checks, CO bets 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (11.5 BB, 2 players) K

Hero checks, CO checks

River: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, CO bets 5.5 BB, Hero?

Anything wrong with this one? It doesn't seem like he's bluffing a lot here.

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09-08-2019 , 11:31 PM

BobbyPeru

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I call vs this line and for half pot. If he made it bigger I consider folding.

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09-09-2019 , 12:14 AM

hyperknit

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i would fold, it makes a lot of sense for him to have AQ or AJ here

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09-09-2019 , 12:48 AM

dubakkur2

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Why not a 3bet? because of CO low PFR ?
if that is the reason - flop is a fold with 3/4 pot bet with a 6% PFR open range on that board

as played call ..

ed: 6% range ={88+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+} ignoring the less number of hands for convergence
# combos you ahead - 88-QQ = 30
# combos you behind = 26 (including KK,AA,AK 6 blocked combos!)

you are ahead here 60% of the time and with that 1/2 pot river bet you need to be good only 25% of the time. - call.

Last edited by dubakkur2; 09-09-2019 at 01:10 AM.

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09-09-2019 , 12:53 AM

hyperknit

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Originally Posted by dubakkur2

Why not a 3bet? because of CO low PFR ?

if that is the reason - flop is a fold with 3/4 pot bet with a 6% PFR open range on that board

as played call ..

R u gonna fold ur whole range on the flop?

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09-09-2019 , 01:18 AM

dubakkur2

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

R u gonna fold ur whole range on the flop?

if it is a nit raising pre and betting close to pot on a board that connects well to him.. i would over fold.. my sunk cost is 1BB.

sorry I would fold this pre not flop

i would look for better spots..

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09-09-2019 , 02:48 AM

hyperknit

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Originally Posted by dubakkur2

Honestly I think it would be fine to fold ur range on the flop just asking

(Ok I’ll still play 2pair+)

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09-09-2019 , 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

i would fold, it makes a lot of sense for him to have AQ or AJ here

I imagine when hero checks the river villain gets to value bet like A8+ , not sure if this is theoretically correct but I know for myself I would be taking this bet/check/bet line with these hands.

So a fair bit of value for villain I think, can fold here pretty often

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09-09-2019 , 04:56 AM

zedsdead

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Originally Posted by dubakkur2

yea but why the hell would he bet 88-QQ OTR?

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09-09-2019 , 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zedsdead

yea but why the hell would he bet 88-QQ OTR?

i see ur point..but think from fish point of view
hero checked on A K flop and called..turn K check. hey he has nothing..i will bet now

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09-09-2019 , 05:08 AM

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zedsdead

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i dont think calling 3/4 psb on AKx rainbow means hero has nothing.
Even if that is what V thinks, what exactly is 88 trying to get called by? Even QQ.
I dont see it.

I think fold is fine vs 6% PFR-er. Not folding vs virtually anyone else though.

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09-09-2019 , 05:30 AM

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don't listen to these nits OP, it's 4 handed

I actually would have 3bet pre, as played snap calling river

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09-09-2019 , 06:04 AM

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zedsdead

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Didn’t see it was 36 hand sample, so actually yea I don’t think can fold based on that.

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09-09-2019 , 06:42 AM

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Ax with a bd you're not supposed to fold otf under most reasonable circumstances
ATo would rather fold than this combo

same for river ap, you have a good hand bb vs co

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09-09-2019 , 03:45 PM

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I just ran it through the equity calculator. He needs to bet TT-QQ 100% of the time for this to be a break even call if he has a 10% preflop raising range, and I don't see how a passive guy bets any underpair on the river.

I folded on the river.

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09-09-2019 , 07:22 PM

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zedsdead

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The 6% is only after 36 hands though.
You can’t be sure his range is exactly the top 6% of hands after this, it probably isn’t.
He can easily have some SCs and random BS that gets to the river.

I have a ‘standard’ PFR stat when sample converges, but if I sit at a table it’s not impossible for my PFR to be 6% after 36 hands if card dead.

Now it’s never going to be 36/6, so V is def a fish, but thinking he ONLY PFR with exactly the top 6-10% of hands after 36 hand sample is crazy.
I’ve seen tight looking fish with similar stats randomly RFI 73s from CO cause they’re bored.

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09-10-2019 , 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dubakkur2

This, especially nl2. Most players are not thinking about ranges, they are playing ABC poker.

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