i agree c/c flop is best but guys what do u do on turn
checking sucks because if he has fd he can check behind also overs will check behind is donking bad in such situation ?

But we WANT him to check behind overs and any fd he might have, letting us b/f safe rivers

if you know he has overs or a FD you dont want to bet safe rivers.
unless it got like 55x44 sth where we can valuetown his A high.

Yeah i agree a raise on the flop is bad, but i think even calling a bet is spewy. Because he's rarely checking behind two more streets when we check turn and river. And we almost always have to fold to a bet (assuming we don't improve).
So what is our turn/river action?

Do we call again when the turn is a blank?

Just seems like we've shown no strength throughout the whole hand and any half decent villain will bluff us off what is very obviously a mid PP, so calling the flop, hoping to check down 2 streets is a spewy play?

How can c/c flop be best when we're just going to fold later anyway!!???

I think that c/f is the best w/o any reads.

I'm not sure it really matters one way or the other, he probably bets TT+ on the turn and checks back something like AK on the river, so we're most likely not getting a bet out of him anyways when we're ahead. Might as well try getting him to make a hero call and hope he 3bet pre with something like 88, though that's probably unlikely.

Part of the reason why you balance your range here with 55, 22, AA, and some flush draws.

hmm maybe its true, but this line just screams I HAVE WEAK HAND and what do u do then when somebody bets strong on turn when he sees you checked. (i seriously think about testing turn overbet vs people who take this line lol)

I've got some understanding of balancing ranges, but please could you elaborate on what you mean?

Also do we give credit to micro stakes villains for remembering how we play certain hands?

quite hard to rep a 2x

lol why you call preflop than?

You're right, micro stakes villains probably wouldn't remember that you c/c'ed, c/r'ed the nuts on a board like this.


If you only call the flop with something like 66-TT here, it's going to be exploitable by a thinking villain, he's going to double barrel every single hand he has because you're not calling again. Add in hands that you might want to raise against what he's repping as an overpair, like a 55, 22, AA, maybe KK, some flush draws, then what does villain do if he has QQ? The more likely you make it that you could be raising the turn, the harder spot you put villain in. He worries about your range, he might check the QQ there, and then you have a lot of fun overpotting your entire range on the river, especially if the spade hits.

Im leveling myself here, because i'm now starting to think that was the best line. If the flop comes and we have an overpair and the best line seems like C/F then why on earth have we called OOP pre?

IP its an easy call but knowing we're OOP, i just think we get in too many horrible situations for this to be +EV.

this hand is sooo confusing...

We are obviously setmining 230bbs deep.

Its 25nl the games are pretty passive postflop, hes 3bet you utg, just calling to setmine is fine imo.

He probably wont even always cbet that flop with his missed overs.

there seems to be no reason in c/r flop . c/c makes much more sense