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12-19-2019 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
Sure you can but then you should probably split your range. Anyway, that doesn't make the statement incomplete as far as I'm concern.

Yes you're going to bluff more but you can't overbluff so what do you do?
I value bet more thinly? Or to be precise. XR my strong AND medium strength hands and call my weak hands?
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12-19-2019 , 10:44 AM
Finally

Now ask yourself how many microstakes player would 1. realize that and 2. apply it which means raising middle str hands like KT on like KQ2 or jamming river over a 1/3 bet with JT on JxTx2dKd3d.
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12-19-2019 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
Finally
yessssss!

victory
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12-19-2019 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
Finally

Now ask yourself how many microstakes player would 1. realize that and 2. apply it which means raising middle str hands like KT on like KQ2 or jamming river over a 1/3 bet with JT on JxTx2dKd3d.
lol yeah no one does that. I didn't even know how to tackle the topic - let alone come to the right conclusion.

You would have to study this strategy a ton and you could only use it against certain good players. Otherwise you just end up value owning yourself a lot.
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12-19-2019 , 02:59 PM
could I please get a summary of what you 2 talked about? imma lazy now
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12-19-2019 , 03:34 PM
this hand generated more discussion than I thought it would. A few points :

vs flop 50% in position, as someone alluded to, we are not raising very often, and never have QQ / TT, tho we will have 77 at a frequency, QTo/s, Q7s, T7o at freq, T7s, which is like saying that we have "some value hands here" which is always the case in wide range spots haha, but these are our primary value combos on flop, though not all of these are supposed to be raised in equilibrium, tho I do think that OOP over-stabs this board type, which is why I raised flop.

When OOP calls flop raise, and flats turn 2/3 OOP, their range is not capped, as it is highly logical for them to play Axdd this way, but it going to be heavy with a lot of 1 spade offsuit broadway Tx, 2 pair combos. Turn we are obviously not trying to make villain fold a flush or a set, we are targeting primarily these combos for a barrel off, and when flop doesn't get 3bet, and turn doesn't get checkraised, in my opinion villain has removed a lot of sets from their range. I am raising combo draws / some no showdown Ax FD on flop, can continue firing to deny equity with 77, so I have a nonzero amount of nutted combos here. Interesting that solver prefers 100% on turn with some value.

river our story remains unchanged minus I don't think we're supposed to barrel 77 off, though KT Kd, KQkd KK diamond AJad improve.
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12-19-2019 , 06:17 PM
Solver just x's turn with no 98o diamond if I give it a 75% size and 33% size
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12-19-2019 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
Solver just x's turn with no 98o diamond if I give it a 75% size and 33% size
What are it's primary bluff combos?
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12-19-2019 , 06:56 PM
obv you don't want to build a big pot with a 8high flush
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12-19-2019 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
obv you don't want to build a big pot with a 8high flush
water u talkin bout, tho?
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12-19-2019 , 07:05 PM
I mean a 8high 1card flush sorry
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12-19-2019 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by amazin lazer
What are it's primary bluff combos?
98o with diamond, K9o with diamond, AJ, 86o wtih diamond, Ad5x, K4, KJ, 33/22 with diamond, etc.

Keeps betting with hands like AA, Q8o, etc.
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12-19-2019 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
98o with diamond, K9o with diamond, AJ, 86o wtih diamond, Ad5x, K4, KJ, 33/22 with diamond, etc.

Keeps betting with hands like AA, Q8o, etc.
Dealt to Hero: 8 9

I am confuse
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12-19-2019 , 07:15 PM
Misread post (meant to say 98o no diamond). For what it's worth, it uses big size with the 9x8d combos, and prefers small size with 9d8x combos

It then o/b bluffs river with a lot of 9d8x combos, and x's all 9x8d combos except this one exactly (which it bets like 50% of the time)

Last edited by JohnRusty; 12-19-2019 at 07:20 PM.
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12-19-2019 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
Misread post (meant to say 98o no diamond). For what it's worth, it uses big size with the 9x8d combos, and prefers small size with 9d8x combos

It then o/b bluffs river with a lot of 9d8x combos, and x's all 9x8d combos except this one exactly (which it bets like 50% of the time)
blind vs blind hands give me a fkn headache.

Thanks for solving that, tho!
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12-19-2019 , 07:25 PM
Biggest thing that surprised me was that it checks literally no flushes OTR (with both 33% and 75% turn size) if the only option you give it is 1.25x o/b, if you're gonna face a 60% bet if you check (it also prefers x/c river with QsJs to AdAs)
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12-19-2019 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
98o with diamond, K9o with diamond, AJ, 86o wtih diamond, Ad5x, K4, KJ, 33/22 with diamond, etc.

Keeps betting with hands like AA, Q8o, etc.
I kinda forgot we also have the open ender which we can jam otr, which means we never put ourselves in a bluffcatching spot like we would with deeper stack. It actually makes a lot of sense to bet the turn with 89.
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12-19-2019 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
obv you don't want to build a big pot with a 8high flush
I mean yes, but having the diamond is nice to bluff with because we block flushes, and in the event of a diamond river we can x it down and win somewhat often
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12-19-2019 , 11:46 PM
obviously
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12-20-2019 , 01:59 AM
I never played NL $0.5, and the highest level for me is NL $0.1.

To be honest, I found set or straight is a little weak to shove at even NL $0.1

Just out of curiosity, it is normal to bluff with an air at this level? (or as someone said, this shall only happen with very very low freq)
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12-20-2019 , 04:25 AM
GTO+ takes this line at a very low freq otf, but then it goes on to always bluff turn and river, when it does raise flop.
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