Hey 2+2,

what to do here?
V. 31 / 21 over ~ 60 hands.



SB: $8.60 (172 bb)
BB: $7.57 (151.4 bb)
Hero (UTG): $9.86 (197.2 bb)
MP: $9.46 (189.2 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $11.21 (224.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8 9
Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO calls $0.15, BTN folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) K 8 9 (4 players)
SB bets $0.45, BB folds, Hero calls $0.45, CO calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.95) 4 (3 players)
SB bets $1.46, Hero ??

89s is NOT an opening hand UTG. Your range here should be pretty tight to the major broadway's and PP's.

Ignoring that significant leak, I think your play on the flop is just to play fast and hard and GII with anyone else willing. Don't just call and drag along hands here because we have a strong, but vulnerable hand and have minimal outs to improve ourselves.

So, raise 3x, trim people from the hand, GII if shoved on. Cooler if beat.

As played, 4d on Turn changes nothing. Shove it back for value. What do you think you are behind?? We block the likelihood of 88 and 99 and KK would almost always 3-bet pre. You're almost always good here.

89s is completely fine open utg and should not be considered as a "significant leak".

Interesting. Usually I give credit to donks in mw pots, here we block value range so much that SB has some 2-4 combs. Cos we are deep I would call turn, 100bb raise might be better.

I am adjusting my Range from UTG to the table. If there are to Rocks/Nits to my left wich are 3-betting less than 3 and playing 11/10 or 15/13 I am opening 89s.

If there are lags and fishes wit hhigh 3-bet i won´t. From my point of view it is not a leak cause I adjust to my opponents.
In addition I think mixing in T9s 89s 87s in (~14% open range) I will get payed of a lot on boards like 89K etc.

I don´t think I am behind here. As you netioned. KK+ is unlikely, 88, 99 I am blocking. So I guess he has a lot of QQ JJ TT here or FD Ax and a lot of OSED + GUTTER like JT QJ

Thank you. As I described I am of the same opinion.

I give credit too normaly. Here I block erverything as mentioned before.

I stand corrected on the preflop.

Sorry about that, always more to learn.

A case of don't believe the first book you read. CTM suggests a much tighter range, but the book is also targeted at playing a super tight ABC style and I shouldn't have taken it to word so much.

I did more reading and see that 78s+ type hands can open from UTG for some marginal profit.

He's just donk betting into you. I think folding is out of the question. He has plenty of Kx you beat and draws. It would be nice to know more stats on his post flop aggression, but i'd probably call turn, reevaluate, and give him a chance to barrel river.

raise to $3.10

Jam turn. He's got too many high equity draws to make raising to a normal amount -EV for him

You can open pretty tight UTG 10% and include 98s
22+,AJs+,KQs,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,AQo+

Best way to find whats a leak and whats not a leak is to check your database , personally i was leaking a bit of money with 22-44 UTG so i cut them out for now. Someone may find they lose money UTG with 22 33 44 and make a profit with 98s . Not everyone is the same so continually checking and adjusting to find your sweet spot is the way to go.

Is raising the donkbet on the flop worse than calling here? If he's really aggro, it's got to be fine to raise flop, and then jam turn if he donks again or otherwise just keep betting.

Open pre is fine. I like calling flop to encourage another turn bet from weaker Kx/ bluffs. I'm raising turn - strong Kx won't fold while some weaker Kx might go away and of course bluffs will fold but time to extract value from Kx hands. We have the best hand here most of the time so raising turn.

Agree that we have best hand often. But our hand might be 2nd best and we started flop mw and deep... not much happy playing for stack. The best made hand we get value from is KQ, is it possible he would pay 170bb ?

^can't worry about monsters under the bed.

we block K8, K9, 88, 99. SB was unlikely to flat KK multiway. Its far more likley SB has KT, KJ, KQ or a hand like JT for combo draws that will not fold to a raise.

if we are beat by a set or a better 2pr then oh well. most of the time we gii good.