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10-06-2008 , 10:11 PM

nathan

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Been having slight problems in similar spots to this.

Blinds 20 40
Effective stacks 1200

Hero holds j9 in bb
Villian limps
Hero checks

Flop j34 2 spades

Hero checks
Villain bets 80
Hero raise to 240
Villain calls

Turn 10 offsuit
Hero?

Do people bet here? If we bet an get jammed on we cant fold basically ever but are usually in bad shape. If we check are we calling a bet. What hands bet here for value that we beat. I think im tring to say there are a limited number of hands we can get value from on the turn as most draws will jam on the flop. Nor are there many hands villain is goingto turn into bluffs.

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10-07-2008 , 12:16 AM

filthyvermin

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i am betting again here. since this was a limped pot, villain can have a ton of hands. he could have some kind of slush draw, or a smaller pair and some kind of draw, maybe straight and flush draw. there is still a decent chance we are ahead here, and i hate to let him see a free card.

it's a tricky spot to be sure, and it might even get tricker on the river. but i bet here. hopefully villain will fold, but he could very likely still call with a lower pair and draw combo.

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10-07-2008 , 12:23 AM

ChicagoRy

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Depends who you are playing, but generally bet/call or CRAI are good here.

I don't know many, if any players that I would be happy to bet/fold against, if that were the case I'd rather c/c I think?

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10-07-2008 , 12:33 AM

wrkingtobegreat

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With 30 bb effective stacks and two straight draws now on board, LOL at ever not planning on getting all-in on turn.

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10-07-2008 , 12:33 AM

sejje

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

Depends who you are playing, but generally bet/call or CRAI are good here.

I don't know many, if any players that I would be happy to bet/fold against, if that were the case I'd rather c/c I think?

Do you check/raise two streets often? That's definitely not in my repertoire.

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10-07-2008 , 12:36 AM

chiefsfan17

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With that many effective BBs and a very drawy board you pretty much want to get all in on the turn. I'd make a bet of at least half pot against most people there, definitely not checking. If you're beat you're beat, but on that board you should be ahead of a lot of draws.

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10-07-2008 , 01:29 AM

ChicagoRy

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Originally Posted by sejje

Do you check/raise two streets often? That's definitely not in my repertoire.

No, but if you think the guy is a maniac that bets at any sign of weakness, double CR is in order very often.

Maniac might be an overstatement, there are plenty of players that attack at any sign of weakness and this board is perfect for these players to take a stab at the turn.

You might want to it vs a floaty villain as well, plenty of players will look you up with A hi or something silly then can't resist stabbing on the turn after you check, but I'm kind of rambling now.

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10-08-2008 , 12:15 AM

Hince

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You have a marginal hand, so it really depends on your villian in these cases.

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I think im tring to say there are a limited number of hands we can get value from on the turn as most draws will jam on the flop

I don't agree with this.

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10-08-2008 , 02:23 AM

Highbeem

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I just bet the flop I think to make it easier at the turn. As played I bet again at the turn

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10-08-2008 , 02:35 AM

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orestto

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I would bet here most of the time on the turn, probably at least 2/3rds of the pot, and I would surely call a shove as well.

I even think we might have decent equity against his shoving range , since he could shove some straight/flush draws, even some weaker jacks although not as likely.

As Chicago mentioned, if your opponent likes to bet at any sign of weakness or if you have check-raised before and showed a weak hand or bluff, then check-raising would also be a good play.

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10-08-2008 , 12:41 PM

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nathan

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I think im being slightly results orientation becuase when the ten peeled i bet and he jammed i was like 90% certain he had j10.

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10-08-2008 , 12:51 PM

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nathan

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I think check raise turn is good optionif we feel villain willl bet majority of range.

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10-09-2008 , 05:14 AM

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babaorumi

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I bet/call here because I don't want to allow him to check behind. And if pushes we are forced to call.

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10-09-2008 , 07:52 AM

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Kalledrengen

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I think you are wrong. There are 2 obvious draws on this board and most villains I play certainly aren't shy of taking those draws to the river no matter the cost of it.

As played double barral for value, that offsuited 10 is one of the best cards for your hand really as it isen't an overcard to your top pair and nor does it complete any draw or hit any hand he is likely to float with that dosen't already have you beat (except T4, T3 pretty much).

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