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09-20-2015 , 04:22 AM
Villain seems TAG and his flop cbet 90% (9/10)
Actually I don't know if I call, raise or fold the flop.
Maybe raise/fold on the turn is ok.

Microgaming - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 131 BB (VPIP: 60.61, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
CO: 115 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (BTN): 173 BB
SB: 324.5 BB (VPIP: 36.39, PFR: 18.87, 3Bet Preflop: 7.98, Hands: 640)
BB: 124.5 BB (VPIP: 21.40, PFR: 19.75, 3Bet Preflop: 9.64, Hands: 250)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.36, PFR: 13.17, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 210)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 7 4 2
UTG bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) J
UTG bets 10 BB
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09-21-2015 , 01:31 AM
up
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09-21-2015 , 02:02 AM
fold turn
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09-21-2015 , 08:13 AM
Fold turn vs utg double barrel range.
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09-21-2015 , 08:24 AM
Against this villain we can let it go ott.
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09-21-2015 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by utgboy
fold turn
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCM
Fold turn vs utg double barrel range.
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Originally Posted by 14nd3r
Against this villain we can let it go ott.
thanks guys.
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09-21-2015 , 09:02 AM
What range do we put V on OTT?
If flop was 2tone, does that increase our call-ability enough to flat turn? (provided the flush card doesnt come)
What if instead of a J, the turn was a Q, K or A?
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09-21-2015 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue-chip-tuna
What range do we put V on OTT?
If flop was 2tone, does that increase our call-ability enough to flat turn? (provided the flush card doesnt come)
What if instead of a J, the turn was a Q, K or A?
1. Draws decrease our ability to call with 88. Cos we have better hands than pair to call, villains semibluff has better equity and his betrange is little more weight to valuehands.
2. J ott is better than A/K/Q.
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09-21-2015 , 11:15 AM
Standard fold if you have not the plan to bluff later.
This would be an idea to turn your made hand into a bluff, he looks nitty, if you raise this turn and he will fold his overpairs and AJ and many would do it, it could be a nice spot to bluffraise, esp because you have just the hand, that is a little to worse to call.
But you should know if he can fold or if he calls turn and fold river.
Only some ideas to improve your game, this nl5 zoom nits are not callingmachines but foldingmachines.
You could also call turn and bluff river if he bets little looking like a blockbet.
Not saying this is the optimal spot, but think about this bluffraises against the nits.

Oh its nl2, here you better dont try to bluff them out the pot if they have AA, they often cant fold.
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09-21-2015 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by philkill
This would be an idea to turn your made hand into a bluff

Only some ideas to improve your game, this nl5 zoom nits are not callingmachines but foldingmachines.
When you want to bluff then select hand. Hand with small SDvalue, hand with some draw, hand that blocks his nuts...
Unfortunately 88 has nothing of above.

But it is good idea to have bluff range here. Lets say we have 9sets for value range. We should have cca 9bluffs ott and it could be: A7ss (block AA 77set and has draw) 87 67 spade plus 65suited, it is enough. Can add come Ahigh FD.
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09-21-2015 , 12:02 PM
It depends on how much he folds, if we know he is folding any OVerpair and AJ it should be enouph, you balance it with not raising against the callingmachines, 88 also has poor showdonwvalue, otherwise we wouldnt fold.
With a FD on turn its close, because often time we win huge if we hit and so the bluff can have less EV then draw, say with like As7s.
I wouldnt do this often, but i think in a field with players we cant setmine profitable because they fold every overpair to any raise, we have to play more bluffheavy.

I had a spot today with STr8draw getting a FD on turn and i calculated even if he folds ton its more profitable to draw with 32 Equity and get money on river, pot was big yet.
I think with only few outs its better to take FE, with 12 or more in position its better to call.

Esp at zoom on Pokerstars i think you should c/r bluff many flops oop with some backdoors that arent good enouph to float.
Same can be true in position if you have like gutshot and you know your opponent is folding (correctly of course, because not that many players bluff on turn) but some start to do it.
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