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11-17-2008 , 08:35 PM

gorlom

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Ongame $600.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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SB: $573.00
BB: $767.10
Hero (CO): $757.15
BTN: $706.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with 8

1 fold, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, SB calls $12

Flop: ($39.00) 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $27.00, SB raises to $60, Hero ?

He is 31/17/2/26 and c/red me once before and I folded. He took about the same size and it felt like he was bluffing that time, because he couldn't represent too much, but I dont know. He also floatet me once on another table. All in all I think he's coming after me a bit, but not really that crazy.

Do you call or 3bet?

edit: and why? dont say "just 3bet".

Last edited by gorlom; 11-17-2008 at 08:43 PM.

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11-17-2008 , 08:54 PM

Edik89

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call

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11-17-2008 , 08:56 PM

gorlom

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have this rock, thx

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11-17-2008 , 09:07 PM

Saxophone

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I dont think we really accomplish anything by calling here. There are so many cards that can kills our action actually.

I would reraise him, it gives him the opportunity to shove some big pairs he could have just called with, any three of a kind, draw with pairs, and maybe even some bluff if you too have history

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11-17-2008 , 09:29 PM

bassmaster2008

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3bet all day. SO many cards that will kill action in fish's mind could come. If he folds to 3b, he probably had something that you wouldn't have gotten much value out of anyway. His AF isn't outta the roof (even tho sample size is small) so he probably isn't going to barrell off next cards. I see a lot of fish minraise as a feeler bet, I wayyy more commonly see fish minraise with nuts: just get it in and pray to God he has set or something really dumb like A7

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11-17-2008 , 10:16 PM

GuiGui_88

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$165

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11-17-2008 , 11:41 PM

Charmer

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easy 3b. just so much of his check raising range is happy to put more money in here so let them, considering there are a bunch of turns that could kill action from a lot of that range

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11-18-2008 , 01:14 AM

gorlom

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Originally Posted by bassmaster2008

His AF isn't outta the roof (even tho sample size is small) so he probably isn't going to barrell off next cards

you don't even know the sample. its about 2k hands.

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11-18-2008 , 02:40 AM

silenced

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155

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11-18-2008 , 04:25 AM

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klumpskaft

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hes gona have to be pretty crazy for me to 3bet here given how little ur assumed utg+1range is gona hit this flop never ever 3bet here unless the guy might shove some redicilous inside T9o draw here against u then always 3bet:P everyone just blindly saying u should 3bet here tho given positions is just preposterous

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11-18-2008 , 08:06 AM

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Donkstar

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3bet looks best. The line of just calling and then betting out on turn looks very strong also and he will be unlikely to continue so as there are quite a few possible turn scare cards the flop 3 bet is most likely way to get his money in.

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11-18-2008 , 09:06 AM

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RunslikeGOD

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Call. Any hand that will call/shove another bet here will most likely lead turn. Your repping a huge hand if you 3 bet this. I don't think thats what you want to do. The only real terrible cards for killing action are 3, 5, or 8. I think you can shove all three of these and it will look like a bluff. If he folds to a bet on the turn chances are he folds to your 3 bet also. If he has air and the right card rolls off he will probably pay you off anyway. Not many cards out there to make your hand worse. Really don't like a 3 bet here.

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11-18-2008 , 12:25 PM

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DoubleFly

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If you think he's coming after you, then checking is probably a little better. There's a good chance he leads out again on a blank turn (esp a hi card) as a bluff, while he folds to a flop 3bet. The main disadvantage of just calling is that if he has an overpair, any higher overcard could kill action. But if your read is that he is weak, giving him a card to catch up isn't too bad since you have position.

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11-18-2008 , 12:27 PM

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gorlom

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I 3bet and I like it, but I also see a few reasons to just call, like RunslikeGOD's already said. Dont know what's best, tho :/

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