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77 MP/min-raised...What to do? 77 MP/min-raised...What to do?

01-03-2010 , 03:24 PM
Villian: 81/25/22 3B% (only 16 hands)

Bought in $5, stacked with 66 (on the river) on an all overcard flop. Scooped when opponent showed air. Just some advice on what to do on each street would be nice. Thanks!


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG+1: $12.85
Hero (MP1): $10.00
MP2: $8.50
CO: $10.40
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.00
BB: $11.00
UTG: $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP1 with 7 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 raises to $0.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.15) 5 3 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($3.55) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $6.80 all in

Hero ??
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01-03-2010 , 04:16 PM
no body helping me makes me one sad panda..

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01-03-2010 , 04:31 PM
you realllllly asking if ya should fold 7's to a 3bet? /level.
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01-03-2010 , 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stry67
you realllllly asking if ya should fold 7's to a 3bet? /level.
whaaa? he min 3 bet, not gonna fold to that. considering how fishy the villian had played in the previous pots he was involved in, i think this is close. that response makes me one sad panda.
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01-03-2010 , 04:52 PM
Fold Pre-Flop.
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01-03-2010 , 04:57 PM
With only 16 hands, you still even have to give an agrodonk the possibility of having a hand. If we look at the facts, he min 3bet you pf. He lead out pot on the flop (very wet board - he is scared of something). He shipped it in with even wetter board on the turn. Both 4flush possible and now a str8... Hmmm... You hold a only a bluff catcher. At best, you are a 3/1 dog. This is a fold. Wait for a better position to stack this donk. There is no need to get your stack in on this.
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01-03-2010 , 05:04 PM
Call pre flop, hope to flop a set and stack the donk. Since you don't flop a set or a draw fold flop.
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01-03-2010 , 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stry67
you realllllly asking if ya should fold 7's to a 3bet? /level.
Quote:
Originally Posted by brutti
Fold Pre-Flop.
Come on, I setmine less than most here, but this is a definit call vs an aggrotard like this. Flop a set, win his stack.

OP, I think you get little response because this is a tougher spot than most people here like to admit.

Besides setmining, this guy 3b wide and I even doubt if we are behind on his min 3b range, so we have value besides setmining.

His numbers are pointing into the direction of an aggrotard and I can see him do this with for example AK/AQ/KQ/etc. Also, I've seen people like this play low PP's like this (min 3b pre and bet big post if no A/K on board), so in this case it could be 22/44/66.

One thing you can do when you find yourself in a spot like this, is opening the HH's from the table and take a quick look at pots where villan showed his hands down and/or what his usual betsizes are. If you can't find anything that points into the direction of this guy overbetting with trash, than you might fold, but make a note of it. However, i definitly don't hate calling him down and I think I'm calling here more often than folding.

Last edited by Chriswitteman; 01-03-2010 at 05:13 PM.
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01-03-2010 , 05:14 PM
Shoving is spew. Villian can have any two cards. 88+ or K8 or k9o or some garbage.

Fold.

EDIT: Also, call the preflop raise, don't min raise.
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01-03-2010 , 05:15 PM
If villan can have any 2, it's an easy snap.
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01-03-2010 , 05:16 PM
I wouldn't fold to the preflop 3b, and then now you have a decision on the flop. If you're calling, knowing he's an aggrodonk, you are ready to ship it in. However, there's a ton of turn cards that you don't like. Therefore, if you decide to go with it, I would advocate a c/r, as you said he's shipped it in with 66 on a 3 overcard board before, so he may as well do it with 2 random overs as well and tons of other junk. One thing to be careful of, however, is what his minraise means. Has he ever 3b pre before, and what kind of hand does he have? Because a lot of these villains show up with QQ+ here, as they just hit the "raise" button without worrying about the sizing. So the 3bet, if different from what he's been doing, is very significant here in deciding whether or not you should fold flop.
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01-03-2010 , 05:23 PM
I pretty much want to agree with Chris here except that we really don't have enough information on the villain to know (16 isn't enough for much at all, he could be on a nice heater ) I worked out a range I think he may have that a basic aggrodonk would min3bet with and then wind up showing this redonkulous line with and overbet then overbet shove, 88+,55-22,ATs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo ..maybe without the KQo but this range still gives 77 about 60% roughly on the turn, so yea i'm calling here more often because we have equity we may still have the best hand and the villain is a more or less unknown aggrodonk whom we just stacked and is probably tilting to get his stack back. Maybe I'm just spewy idk .
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01-03-2010 , 05:35 PM
I don't understand a fold preflop. He has nearly a full stack and we only have to pay 2bb to see a flop. I think he has garbage here a lot of the time and, the way he played it, makes it seem like a call more often than a fold. Besides, he sat down and was throwing his money all over the place.


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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UTG: $9.60
Hero (UTG+1): $10.00
MP: $4.15
Villain: $5.30
BTN: $11.15
SB: $10.00
BB: $6.55

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with Q 6
3 folds, Villain raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) T K 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Villain calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.45) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $1, Villain calls $1

River: ($3.45) J (2 players)
BB bets $4.50, Villain calls $3.60 all in

Final Pot: $10.65
Villain shows 6 6 (a pair of Sixes)
BB shows 6 2 (high card King)
Villain wins $10.15
(Rake: $0.50)

After seeing this and a couple smaller pots similar where he was overbetting the pot on the river with k high, I was considering a call.
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01-03-2010 , 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by z3r0d
Shoving is spew. Villian can have any two cards. 88+ or K8 or k9o or some garbage.

Fold.

EDIT: Also, call the preflop raise, don't min raise.


I will let the villain know when i see him next time.
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01-03-2010 , 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stry67
you realllllly asking if ya should fold 7's to a 3bet? /level.
I guess the title of the post is misleading. I meant 77 MP/minraised PF...what to do on turn? I dunno, sorry about the confusion.
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01-03-2010 , 05:43 PM
I like your preflop call of his min 3b. His 3b gives him a stronger range than if he had called your raise (which is what we want when we set mine) and you were getting over 20-1 implied on his stack. However, I am calling to set mine not stack off on any board unimproved just because he sucks at teh pokerz. Don't play stupid just b/c he plays stupid. Fold the flop, be patient, and let him spew his chips to you when you have a hand imo.
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01-03-2010 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
I like your preflop call of his min 3b. His 3b gives him a stronger range than if he had called your raise (which is what we want when we set mine) and you were getting over 20-1 implied on his stack. However, I am calling to set mine not stack off on any board unimproved just because he sucks at teh pokerz. Don't play stupid just b/c he plays stupid. Fold the flop, be patient, and let him spew his chips to you when you have a hand imo.
I agree that there are way better times to stack off than with 77 with no set and heavy aggression, but I don't think it is stupid to consider calling when he is clearly throwing his money around and just wants to gamble. Considering his range can be ATC at this point, I just have to decide if I want to gamble knowing he can show up with anything. But, his overbet just made me want to call.
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