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75NL FD+overs vs reg 225bb deep 75NL FD+overs vs reg 225bb deep

05-30-2012 , 06:07 PM
@whoever said it earlier: and no, we don't rep 78s and AA when we 3bet the flop?
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05-30-2012 , 09:39 PM
DOesnt he pretty much always have a weakish flushdraw, 45 or 78 here?

Seems like he would always 4bet the flop with sets/AcXc/2pairs so he cant really have those?

Therefore his flop calling range is probably a bunch of weakerflush draws and straight draws that don't want to commit to a AI but have the odds to call.

By betting this small OTT i only see us getting extra value if he decides to make a very sloppy call with a missed straight draw, none of which can have a high club? Whereas if we bomb it we get more value/jams from his made flushes

If we bet this small he calls and the river pairs the board or brings a 4th club it kills alot of action and u prob wont get anymore value and even risk the chance to get bluffed off?

Only reason i see to bet this small is if he can fold a made flush if we bomb the turn or if we think he has alot of straight draws he will be willing to call a small bet with

Dont think many people bluffshove this deep without the Ac which i dont see any combos he can have of it
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05-30-2012 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
On bus so can type now lol.

If you wanted to think about ranges at all why wOuld we 3bet flop with this particular draw?
Why would you even bet this turn when it sucks so much for your range cOmpared to villains?

You really aren't going to be inducing from those 3 combos of hands often at all.
The cooler was directed at the straight and flushes, and even still, you said is likely to call call often instead of jamming. How much money do you lose when river comes off like it does here? That is a big difference and a huge deduction from your bottom line.

The chances of an action killer coming up and cutting out a 20bbs or whatever to your turn bet are so much higher than inducing from a few combos of straight draw whiffs.
bolded is the best bit of this post. i think this was where my brain was battling, cos it seems so easy for villain to have a flush that it bothered me for us to bet large. in reality, it's unlikely to matter in these games. now that the option has occurred to me outside of the original line that was taken, i think a check has alot of merit. Nutsinho's vids have me scarred for life

agree with the rest. when i mentioned AA/78s i wasn't meaning that we rep them well or we should 3b the flop with them, but that i thought a reg could misperceive our range if we bet small (quite common for not great regs at these stakes to handread streets in isolation)
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05-31-2012 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by VIVEK15
Flop might be a call i agree because its so deep but i think its close tho, the fact that villain is capable of bluffing otf with his raise makes me like my 3b more.

This seems backwards. You want to flat because he is raising hands such as Tc7c ducy?
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05-31-2012 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by VIVEK15
Flop might be a call i agree because its so deep but i think its close tho, the fact that villain is capable of bluffing otf with his raise makes me like my 3b more.

This seems backwards. You want to flat because he is raising hands such as Tc7c ducy?
Missed that. You want to 3bet over his bluffs because...?
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05-31-2012 , 01:13 PM
I think a ch OTT might also be a nice line to take, didnt think much about that tho..

When i flat otf and turn is a blank and he bombs it im fkd, but yeah if turn comes a club he would probably bluff it so maybe a flat is best..
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