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70NL FD in 3b pot vs aggressive reg. 70NL FD in 3b pot vs aggressive reg.

05-31-2012 , 01:01 PM
(THIS EQUALS TO 70NL, THE MONEY IS SWEDISH SEK NOT $)

    Boss, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12995372

    CO: $530.31 (106.1 bb)
    BB: $1,308.11 (261.6 bb)
    MP1: $1,305.38 (261.1 bb)
    Hero (MP2): $1,471.29 (294.3 bb) (I AM CO and IP!)
    BTN: $507.10 (101.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7 8
    MP1 folds, Hero raises to $14.37, BTN folds, CO raises to $45.61, BB folds, Hero calls $33.74

    Flop: ($101.22) T 2 4 (2 players)
    CO bets $55, Hero raises to $165, CO raises to $482.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $317.20

    Turn: ($1,065.62) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($1,065.62) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    V: 22/19/13.5AF 10.4 3b, 21.4 3b vs hero, f23b 67, cb flop in 3b pots 100% 5/5 - 235hands.
    I was: 32/26/7.7AF


    PF: i think 4betting this might be good aswell but i like my flat because we are IP and im planning on making moves post.

    Flop: I flop a nice FD and he bets half pot (standard cb sizing for him in 3b pots.) He does this with his whole range, just by looking at his cb flop 3b pots i see his always doing this with all his range pretty much. So i decided to raise and i think i will get lots of folds by doing this, When he shoves im sure i have the right odds to call so i called it off.


    Pot odds when he shoves: 29.7%.
    My equity vs his range: 33.3%.

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    24,750 games 0.047 secs 526,595 games/sec

    Board: Td 2c 4d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 33.349% 33.35% 00.00% 8254 0.00 { 8d7d }
    Hand 1: 66.651% 66.65% 00.00% 16496 0.00 { QQ+, JcJd, TcTd, TdTh, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, AsTs, KdQd, KdJd }



    Thoughts on my line? My main concern here btw is whether to 4b or flat so it would be nice to get some thoughts on this, (and yes im folding this aswell some of the times but not too often against a 21% 3bettor when IP tho.)
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    05-31-2012 , 01:08 PM
    You have to consider folding pre, you know.

    Flat the flop. You rep absolutely nothing when you raise except maybe a fd like you have.
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    05-31-2012 , 01:09 PM
    flatting is prob fine when he 3bets so small but i'd just call flop as i don't think i have a single hand in my range i would raise for value
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    05-31-2012 , 01:15 PM
    So you're CO and he's in the blinds?

    If so, i like your line and it's exactly what i'd do vs this type of habitual 3bettor, especially since we're only eff. 100bb deep. If we were deeper, i'd probably call flop. I much prefer to 4bet bluff with A4/K3 etc, if he know's how to fold to 4bets that is. 78s is nice and easy hand to play in position.

    wp, i hope he had a higher flush draw and you caught the 8! lol

    Edit: I see what bladesman and fsn are saying though, our range is super narrow when we raise. Only thing is we'll hit our flush 1 in 5 times OTT and villain is probably barrelling a lot.

    Last edited by LimpFoldAces; 05-31-2012 at 01:30 PM.
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    05-31-2012 , 01:24 PM
    I'm not all that interested in flatting pre given his stack size. On the flop you're repping nothing except pretty much exactly what you have. Fine if you like to gamble I suppose.
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    05-31-2012 , 01:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fsn
    flatting is prob fine when he 3bets so small but i'd just call flop as i don't think i have a single hand in my range i would raise for value
    +123456
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    05-31-2012 , 04:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Greg1075
    I'm not all that interested in flatting pre given his stack size. On the flop you're repping nothing except pretty much exactly what you have. Fine if you like to gamble I suppose.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bladesman87
    You have to consider folding pre, you know.

    Flat the flop. You rep absolutely nothing when you raise except maybe a fd like you have.
    read my original post it says "(and yes im folding this aswell some of the times but not too often against a 21% 3bettor when IP tho.)"


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fsn
    flatting is prob fine when he 3bets so small but i'd just call flop as i don't think i have a single hand in my range i would raise for value


    Guys this guy is hyper aggressive, i can raise and get in a whole lot here, ATs, JJ-QQ, TT, for example.. All those are in my range and i would probably play them approximately like this.
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    05-31-2012 , 04:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VIVEK15
    Guys this guy is hyper aggressive, i can raise and get in a whole lot here, ATs, JJ-QQ, TT, for example.. All those are in my range and i would probably play them approximately like this.
    Why would you play them like this if the other guy is hyper aggressive?
    Isn't it better to call and let him bluff the turn too?
    Same with 98s isn't it better to let him keep on betting and bluff him later in the hand?
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    05-31-2012 , 04:47 PM
    Not sure about pre, 78s seems about little too weak (even if you pull moves).

    As played I think call flop & ship turn (every non ,7x,8x) is the best option if he's barreling a decent amount.

    Are you sure he is hyper-aggressive? or just because he's 3betting ~20% vs you?
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    05-31-2012 , 04:52 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VIVEK15
    Guys this guy is hyper aggressive, i can raise and get in a whole lot here, ATs, JJ-QQ, TT, for example.. All those are in my range and i would probably play them approximately like this.
    that doesnt mean it is neither

    most +ev way to play only those hands in this spot
    best way to play those hands for your range
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    05-31-2012 , 04:52 PM
    Because he probably get in worse hands like JT, QT, KT. I think he not only is aggro with draws and stuff, i also think he will overplay TP hands.
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    05-31-2012 , 04:58 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Back off Kiddo
    Not sure about pre, 78s seems about little too weak (even if you pull moves).

    As played I think call flop & ship turn (every non ,7x,8x) is the best option if he's barreling a decent amount.

    Are you sure he is hyper-aggressive? or just because he's 3betting ~20% vs you?
    His AF is very high and his 3b aswell thats why i think is very aggro.

    Would u fold 78s in this spot most of the times?

    How is floating flop and shipping turn so much of a difference than just getting it in otf?
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    06-01-2012 , 08:08 AM
    How many 3b/f hands are in his range?
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    06-01-2012 , 08:45 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VIVEK15
    Because he probably get in worse hands like JT, QT, KT. I think he not only is aggro with draws and stuff, i also think he will overplay TP hands.
    time to adjust your stove then

    pre is meh, probably fine

    flop is fine
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    06-01-2012 , 08:52 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VIVEK15
    His AF is very high and his 3b aswell thats why i think is very aggro.

    Would u fold 78s in this spot most of the times?

    How is floating flop and shipping turn so much of a difference than just getting it in otf?
    If he is barreling a lot you pick up a lot more dead money by calling flop & shoving turn IP compared to raising flop. By raising flop he'll just folds his bluffs and get in with better draws plus overpairs. And despite getting correct odds, calling off with 8-high isn't so pretty.

    But since you have no real reads on his cbetting/barreling tendencies etc. you can't assume he's auto 2barreling this board, so getting it in on the flop is probably best without further reads i guess.
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    06-01-2012 , 10:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VIVEK15
    read my original post it says "(and yes im folding this aswell some of the times but not too often against a 21% 3bettor when IP tho.)"
    Did read that. Him being aggro doesn't make the call better in terms of postflop playability imo. As a matter of fact it's worse as he's likely to come out barreling otf while you're sitting on air the majority of the time. Here we are looking at a hand where you hit a good flop but what's the plan to make money the majority of the time when you totally whiff? On Axxr? KQxss? 24Tr? He has a huge 3bet%, ok, but but does this guy 3bet like a monkey from anywhere or mostly IP? If he's deep no prob. If he x/f a lot of flops or turns after barreling otf and we can pick up the pot IP, I think that's fine as played. He's an aggromonkey who's gonna bomb 2 streets + I think we're just burning money even with position.
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