villain is 13/7 with over 1k hands, pretty nit
Actually I wasn't thinking too much before calling during that hand, what's your opinion?


Pacific Poker - $0.06 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.05
BTN: $8.87
SB: $5.43
BB: $5.00
UTG: $9.17
Hero (UTG+1): $9.36
MP: $6.00
MP+1: $14.66

SB posts SB $0.03, BB posts BB $0.06

Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero has 5 5

UTG raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.18, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.57, 3 players) A 9 5
BB checks, UTG bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42, fold

Turn: ($1.41, 2 players) 6
UTG bets $1.05, Hero raises to $3.42, UTG raises to $8.57, Hero calls $5.15

River: ($18.55, 2 players) K

Set over set - cooler. Move on.

but how could he shove with some hand that I beat? I mean he's a nit
Recently I encounter set over set several times and me being the bottom one. To be frank, I had bad feelings before those calling decisions, but I always go with my set. but it seems everytime I had a bad feeling about my set, it proves right, I was dominated by a higher set or a str8.

could shove with ace and fd, raise flop to charge for draw - still going broke when he shoves flop though

get it in on the flop. you dont wanna see BB calling and a spade on the turn.

You really wanna start folding sets?

raise flop and be ready to get it in there.. what is nit AF?

get in on flop against flushdraws

only bottom set I mean.
I don't quite see 2 pair jamming the pot like that, particularly on the turn. if they had a str8, I'd be far behind. If they had a higher set, I am pretty much dead. It just doesn't justify the occasions when they do shove with 2p or pure draw.

To be frank, if both are deep(>150bb) I can't recall a single hand in which my opponent 3bet shove the turn with pure draw or 2 pair or less

Why did you call then? Because you know sets are strong. Yes, there are times when you can fold them but more often than not you should be shovelling money in.

Despite being behind from the flop in this hand (which doesn't matter) your mistake here was to allow him to draw at his own price if he did have a flush or a straight why did you call and not charge him to see the turn by raising? Forget for the moment he had AA as it doesn't matter.

vs. a guy like this not raising the flop is bad imo. we can stack him off when he has tp. we are not really afraid of him folding underpairs...he wont be putting any more money ott with worse than that and a spade would kill the action.

Flat calling on the flop with a set (even bottom set) is akin to slow-playing. You've got to raise there so you're getting value from flush draws and top pair.
Baluga theorem applies on the turn. Not saying you can fold a set there, but villain has at least aces up in that spot, and usually a bigger set. For villain to 3-bet when you've shown strength by raising the turn means you're in big trouble.

There were two reasons I called:
1) I want him double barrel if he has pocket pair. He's a nit, I figure his UTG opening range is Axs or pp, pp won't have flush draw problem, and if I raised his pp, he's 90% gonna fold. but if I call, he might fire again. well, maybe I should charge A high flushdraw, but I think he only plays AJs+, that's only 3 hand. and There are a lot of pp he would play, at least 30 hands, so my play lean towards the way he has PP. I don't give him credit for 78 to make a str8 on the turn.

2) I wanted another guy to put some money in and if a spade turned, I would probably slow down. It's less than 20% a spade would fall, and if another guy called, I can make 30% more money if I had the best hand.

Now I find the 3rd reason, if I raise the flop, and he 3bet, I HAVE to go with it, because there're a lot of hands can 3 bet flop that's actually worse than bottom set on that board. Basically, I don't know where he is.
But if I show strength on the turn and he plays back at me. I would know he's really strong. I think I am gonna fold bottom set next time OTT facing 3 bet

With me in this hand I am seeing a showdown.. Its a cooler you can *think* about folding when he 3 bets the turn, but your already kinda committed to the hand.

Call flop, call turn, shove over bet on river imo.

To everyone saying get it in vs FD, UTG has like 2 combos of FD and never has 2 pair.
If BB comes along, bonus we have absolute position.

UTG continuance range on the turn vs a raise is like AsKs/AsQs/AA/99, whereas his betting range is AQ+/AA/99/KsQs. Let him keep betting a wider range. Especially let AK keep betting instead of offering the opportunity to fold.

Board: Ad 9s 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.732% 20.73% 00.00% 1642 0.00 { 5d5h }
Hand 1: 79.268% 79.27% 00.00% 6278 0.00 { AA, 99, AsKs, AsQs }

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Board: Ad 9s 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 83.687% 83.69% 00.00% 23198 0.00 { 5d5h }
Hand 1: 16.313% 16.31% 00.00% 4522 0.00 { 99, AQs+, KsQs, AQo+ }


As a function of just how nitty his opening and subsequent continuance ranges are, we need to be far more worried about the 90% of the time villain folds up shop when we raise unless we're crushed than the 20% of the time a spade rolls off on the next card.

WtSD stats? If it's < 22% I take ^ this line. If it's > 26% and he's going to get married to AKo getting it in on the turn is ok although I still call flop.

If you don't think bottom set can win, you shouldn't be setmining. I assume you called with pocket 5s preflop to try and bluff the nit off his hand on a later street?

AA is 80% against any other hand, so you are going with it no matter what happened post flop?

sure, if you care only about your red line and not WR.

set over set is std broke 100-200 deep, different thing is if you play omaha.

look, if you don't think villain is going to stack off against a set with TPTK, then don't setmine. I'm always stacking off. You can choose to not make that decision, but you need to change your preflop plan, then.

But remember that you will be able to bluff him a lot.

fold the flop, the spoiler says ur drawing to 1 out....