Edit: I realized this thread might be stupid.

HU, just starting tables.

Villain is HU. Stats are pretty irrelevant over small sample. But he was 3betting alot! like 30%

We have a little history where I open, he 3bet, I call. Flop is K93r, he bet, I call. Turn is Jx, he c/c a bet. River was blank and it check, check and he showed K8o and I had J10o.

He hasn't really given me much respect in 3bet pots even though I had been folding to most.

My hand is pretty irrelevant for the purpose of this thread. I guess my question is, IYO, how often is this a bluff?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($1430.15)
BB ($1033)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, J
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $54, Hero calls $42

Flop: ($108) 5, 4, 2 (2 players)
BB bets $72.45, Hero calls $72.45

Turn: ($252.90) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $141, BB calls $141

River: ($534.90) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $255, BB raises to $765.55 (All-In)


is 3x the same as 88-JJ here?

I meant to say villain is betstreet.

not really

is always 3betting that big?

9xing your 2x is pretty large if hes doing this with 30% tho

I dont like your Turnbet tbh

Riversize is weird.. you try to rep FH/straights and I dont think you'd bet half pot here with those hands

I guess his v-range here is 44+(maybe 22+) and he would prob be bet/bet/betting those or bet/c-ring them. I think when you don't raise flop and bet smallish on turn and river you really don't look like you have a boat, though i do like your turn bet and river sizing.

When this deep vs regs they will very often try to get crafty and mash up the pot on the river when something like this comes up(your range looks capped). So given that i think that he is more likely to just call the river w a hand as strong as like AA i guess i'd call with 5x and fold everything worse.

yeah he always 9x my 2x.

why dont you like turn bet?

my standard during the match was around 1/2 pot on all streets vs this guy in 3bet pots.

do you think he can value jam a 3 here?

what do you think?

Also don't post villains name.

Also i thought this was 2/4 but my thoughts are basically the same.

i think he can

How often are you calling his 3bets? That would help establish the range he's putting you on. Are you ever calling with hands that hit this board hard? Would you raise on the flop if you did? (If you would have then you should also raise with this draw).

As played it looks a lot like you have a mid pair/busted draw, so I can imagine him bluffing a lot here.

EDIT: I just noticed you said you had been folding to most of his 3 bets. In that case I think it's even less likely he puts you on a 3 here, and thus more likely he is bluffing.

I also wanted to add that you should be raising a lot of flops against this guy to punish him for 3betting you so wide from OOP. This flop is a perfect candidate.

I think pretty much all the advice in this thread is pretty good.

It looks like you have 88 or a busted draw trying to rep 88 IMO. Sure he can be bluffing, don't see what you can do about it at this point though.

As far as 3x = 88-JJ? Can't really say as either way villain looks at it, as long as you aren't owning him by doing this with a nutted hand like 5x which is pretty unlikely without more history, it's reasonable for him to shove 'relatively' thin value and bluffs.

my bad about screen name.

yeah i guess my flop play is debateable. 160BB's deep i think calling can be fine

and i guess my sizing could induce a bit

You're deep enough to try to hit a flush and get paid, but he's 3 betting very wide and there's no reason to believe he has a hand strong enough to pay you. What I think is more valuable is a chance to mix up your play and put pressure on him. I would start calling more of his 3 bets and raising flops like this. If you do that with a wide enough range he'll start feeling a lot less comfortable 9x'ing you out of position 30% of the time. This is a good hand to start with because you can get it all-in on the flop and only be behind against the strongest hands of a very wide range.

The more I think the about it the less I like this option. If we were still <120bb deep I think this is fine, but it's really hard to sell to villain that we (A) just flat a 3bet 160bb deep with a pair big enough to slowplay and also (B) decided to no longer slowplay on the flop.

It's going to look way more likely that you are FOS w/ this @ 160bb because most players won't just think "oh well he flat 77 or 88 and now he's raising the flop to try to own me and get me to shove overs"--which at 100-120bb I think is much easier to sell.

I guess that depends on how you're playing this opponent pre flop. What range would you call the 3 bet with? Are you 4 betting ever, how wide? I think 4 betting too narrow defines our range too much and is worse of a mistake than never 4 betting and then being able to rep anything on the flop.

I like the idea of calling wide pre and raising this type of flop with a lot of hands. His 3 betting range is wide enough that he's going to have to fold here too often, or make a ballsy 4 bet out of position; which in situations like this one we are ready to call. But if he started to narrow his 3betting range we'd have to adjust too.

We have probably played 150 hands together. I had been had been 4betting a little, prolly folding to 70% of 3bets thus far. I don't think I had raised a flop cbet in a 3bet pot yet, and I didn't know enough about his tendencies yet to know parts of b/c or b/3b range on the flop

Are people suggesting to size my bets on all streets bigger with my entire range?

Turn is an obv bet, dislike river bet because all of the sudden we rep a super narrow value range in a spot where we kind of have alot of bluffs and he almost always has a bluffcatcher. I think if we bluff river we have to overbet shove. I call river with 5x+, he's basically repping exactly 43s, or a boat he turned and decided to slowplay (does he 3 bet 44/22?), and he bets boats some of the time ott.

what were you trying to get fold (or call) the turn?
now how does that range you assign him work together with your river bet?

Betstreet has you owned in this situation and is probably not bluffing. You should have raised his flop bet and forced the action there as he barrels a ton in general (so you don't get many free cards).
I would never be in this situation vs him because of his barreling tendencies. I hate the call vs him on the flop and river.

Additionally I know who you are and have to say you are a losing player to him HU.

^^^ thats ok, ill learn

Calling flop is fine. Turn is probably going to be an overcard and 3-bettors don't check overcard turns ever, especially if they have a gutshot.

What % of the time do we think he 3b bluffs the flop if we click it back giving we rep very little?

We can induce many 3 barrels from him on cards that are good for us though, J/K/spades.