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600NL - Spewy bluff? 600NL - Spewy bluff?

09-11-2011 , 06:56 AM
Villain is loose aggressive reg, haven't played with him much at all. Pretty big clown who's playing like 56/22 is in the big blind.

$3.00/$6.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1439979
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BTN: $582.00
SB: $1339.49
BB: $1636.63
Hero (CO): $515.05

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with 4 4
Hero raises to $18.00, BTN calls $18, 1 fold, BB calls $12

Flop: ($57.00) 2 7 K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $39.00, BTN calls $39, BB folds

Turn: ($135.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $101.00, BTN calls $101

River: ($337.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $240.00


Are these kind of bluffs profitable in multiway pots? In heads up pots? Or should I just shut down after 1 barrel? Or check/fold flop? If Q or Ace doesn't come on turn I shut down but I felt like it was a decent card to triple barrel. Or should I do these only when I have some more equity, like AJ, AT, hearts etc. so that I can still make the best hand?

My reasoning was that the Q was a decent scare card for mid pocket pairs, as well as hands like KJ/KT. When he calls turn, I think he has a lot of KJ, KTss or maybe AQhh, AThh, AJhh that didn't raise flop to keep the fish in and didn't raise turn because he didn't perceive there was much fold equity based on my betting. All of these hands I think I can fold by the river. Only hands I feel like he can continue with here are a slowplayed 22, 77 and KQ based on the betting of the entire hand. I think I have a relatively nitty image at these tables also.
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09-11-2011 , 08:45 AM
Poker is not dead. keep playing in that way. Thnx.
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09-11-2011 , 09:03 AM
Once villain calls turn he doesn't have pairs smaller than a K anymore for the most part and all the draws bricked so I don't think you are getting him to fold a K. He might have 7x or Qx but even those he may hero call with.
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09-11-2011 , 11:56 AM
Why does he never call turn with worse than Kx but calls river with 7x or Qx?
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09-11-2011 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ninja666
Poker is not dead. keep playing in that way. Thnx.
Thank you for the well thought out, constructive input.

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Originally Posted by Imrahil
Once villain calls turn he doesn't have pairs smaller than a K anymore for the most part and all the draws bricked so I don't think you are getting him to fold a K. He might have 7x or Qx but even those he may hero call with.
Oh obviously once he calls turn I think the majority of the time he has Kx or better. I guess I shouldn't expect him to fold the river because the draws missed and I find people pay off with a lot of hands as the bricked on the river, even if my range is like AK+ 90% of the time in this spot.
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09-11-2011 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wishiewish
Why does he never call turn with worse than Kx but calls river with 7x or Qx?
magic
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09-11-2011 , 03:41 PM
problem is, if u start doing this with 44, u will bluff way too often in that spot. do it with JT/AJ/AT kinda hands that actually give u more equity and do some math how often u need to bluff and then make a cut.
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09-11-2011 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OdiN_TU
problem is, if u start doing this with 44, u will bluff way too often in that spot. do it with JT/AJ/AT kinda hands that actually give u more equity and do some math how often u need to bluff and then make a cut.
Sounds good, makes sense. Thanks for the input.
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09-11-2011 , 03:50 PM
Its such a weird hand why are you and the "reg" the only persons on the table not buying in for a full stack?
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09-11-2011 , 04:58 PM
don't play much 6max anymore, but in HU, this is a great board to c/c with your hand. so easy to balance too.

people cbet way too much. they should really incorporate c/cing in their game after being the PFR, especially on boards like this where it's difficult for villain to continue, especially if they've seen us c/cing with a strong hand once in a while.
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09-11-2011 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wishiewish
Why does he never call turn with worse than Kx but calls river with 7x or Qx?
Because on the turn pairs less than Kx are susceptible to a number of river cards like a club or diamond or ace etc. so I think a lot of people will fold those hands on the turn. But if they get to the river with them they can think about calling on blanks. You can call the turn with less than Kx but it is a given that you call all blank rivers otherwise it would be a really bad turn call. Hope I explained myself well.
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09-11-2011 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDna
Its such a weird hand why are you and the "reg" the only persons on the table not buying in for a full stack?
yeah what is going on?
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09-11-2011 , 11:54 PM
well that could easily be Ongame..
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09-12-2011 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by thisisintense
don't play much 6max anymore, but in HU, this is a great board to c/c with your hand. so easy to balance too.

people cbet way too much. they should really incorporate c/cing in their game after being the PFR, especially on boards like this where it's difficult for villain to continue, especially if they've seen us c/cing with a strong hand once in a while.
if u chk you have to chk and fold and its not close.
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09-12-2011 , 02:23 AM
and this hand is a perfect example of people having far too wide barreling ranges in all the obvious spots
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09-12-2011 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ITSOVER9000
if u chk you have to chk and fold and its not close.
why? what if he c/c with AK,KQ,KJ,K10 25% of the time?
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09-12-2011 , 05:24 AM
seems like a pretty clear give up on turn
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09-12-2011 , 07:25 AM
Yeah use hands with a little more eq on the turn to barrel this off. So give up after cb with this 2-outer hand
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09-12-2011 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DrazzicEhv
Yeah use hands with a little more eq on the turn to barrel this off. So give up after cb with this 2-outer hand
haha fair enough.
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09-12-2011 , 01:26 PM
well, just make sure that u adjust after showdown. someone seeing someone else cbetting 44 (not even speaking about doublebarrelling) might cause some serious change in gameplan vs this guy
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09-15-2011 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OdiN_TU
problem is, if u start doing this with 44, u will bluff way too often in that spot. do it with JT/AJ/AT kinda hands that actually give u more equity and do some math how often u need to bluff and then make a cut.
How does one do this?
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09-15-2011 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sillewater
How does one do this?
Take your value range then determine how many bluffs you need to make the opponent indifferent to calling or folding.
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09-15-2011 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank.Scorpio
Take your value range then determine how many bluffs you need to make the opponent indifferent to calling or folding.
Oh ok, makes sense. Thanks.
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09-16-2011 , 06:34 AM
Villian has 29% odds ONR... so lets say we barrel KJ+ for value since hes laggish - that is 81 combos. So to find the right amount of bluffs that we should have in our range its simply: x/x+81 = 0.29
x = 33

We obviously 2barrel AJ and AT here which is 36 combos so if we 3b those we will even have 3 combos too much (GTO). Whether or not we want more or less bluff combos in our range should we adjust based on our reads.

Last edited by bazz; 09-16-2011 at 06:52 AM.
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