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04-13-2008 , 01:17 PM

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FionnMac

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Originally Posted by FionnMac

The thing is most of his range is those hands, OP never almost has air here presumably, floats generally bet the turn.

No need to to shove the flop Some9, although you could argue for a 2.5x raise or something, i'd rather call though and let him bluff off his stack to us. So -

Folding preflop is fine, don't hate a call either though.

Calling flop is standard

Bet turn for value/protection

Call river

sorry to be a dick, but i'm quoting my own post because i nailed it.

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04-13-2008 , 01:24 PM

#27

SuperRu

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If his 3-bet range is loose enough to play AT i think that betting the turn is good (especially if you plan to call this river bet).

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04-13-2008 , 03:43 PM

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Requin

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Some9 stop acting like your line is right and other lines suck, calling is probably better than raising right here and even if it wasn't it wouldn't be far behind. It has nothing to do with needing a read.

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04-13-2008 , 04:00 PM

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Marwan

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What do people think about raising the flop small on a dry A high board like this to induce something? I know in HU play I see more of this because it confuses opponents a lot and makes them do all kinds of things when they have room to put in the last raise.. I figure against solidi-ish thinking opponents they always expect people to flat with an Ace on a board like this so it looks really bluffy or as if we're trying to "get him off" JJ-KK .

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04-13-2008 , 04:07 PM

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Pudge714

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Raising the flop is fine some % of the tie with the right dynamic and it would be fine, but ZOMG RAISE THE FLOP CALLING IS TERRIBAD is wrong.

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04-13-2008 , 04:14 PM

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Triumph36

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Originally Posted by nuggetz87

i don't blame you guys for saying fold preflop but it's bad vs. him. when i said he's aggressive preflop i mean he basically never flats OOP in a HU pot. so he can have 33 or QJs preflop for all i know.

wow you are crushing that range, seems like a solid PF call in light of this new info

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04-13-2008 , 04:40 PM

#32

TheLeakyFaucet

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The line is perfectly fine, Id call now

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04-13-2008 , 04:49 PM

#33

FionnMac

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Why is everyone saying the line is fine, betting the turn, especially THAT turn, is far superior to checking

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04-13-2008 , 04:51 PM

#34

Unknown Soldier

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Originally Posted by FionnMac

Why is everyone saying the line is fine, betting the turn, especially THAT turn, is far superior to checking

yeah if you think AT is good enough to call pre, bet the turn. as played call the river

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04-13-2008 , 04:53 PM

#35

Paul B.

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For people advocating a river call, can you list some hands you expect BB to hold in that spot? I personally feel strongly about folding the river all things considered (OP's read, against that action, on that board) because I just don't think he shows up with worse hands 42% of the time here.

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04-13-2008 , 04:55 PM

#36

Triumph36

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this hand demonstrates why without serious history this is foolish. why wouldn't you bet the turn? you are calling to hit your pair and then freeze up when you think you've induced a river bluff? am i the only one who's seeing this?

i think this is a fold, but the reason why it's a fold shows why your play sucks. is he really paying off a river bet with worse if he did check?

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04-13-2008 , 04:59 PM

#37

nuggetz87

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

wow you are crushing that range, seems like a solid PF call in light of this new info

lol

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04-13-2008 , 05:02 PM

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nuggetz87

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triumph i'm not calling to hit an ace. conveniently i have the top card in my hand and when i make a pair it's nice because there's no chance he has a higher pair than me. but i'm calling because his range is wide and my hand hits lots of flops. i can raise flop on a ten, clubs, J97, etc. with a good chance of him folding or being behind when we get allin, as well as floating some dry flops like K72 that he'll likely give up on after betting his 55.

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04-13-2008 , 05:04 PM

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cbboy

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Why would you choose to raise a Txx flop but not an Axx flop? Just curious.

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04-13-2008 , 05:12 PM

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nuggetz87

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i wouldn't necessarily but i'd certainly do it more than A high flops because i'm never outkicked. raising A high flops usually folds out everything. yes on a T high flop he has me with an overpair, but the reason i'm calling w/ ATs in the first place is because i think overpairs are a small part of his range.

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04-13-2008 , 05:13 PM

#41

FionnMac

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Originally Posted by cbboy

Why would you choose to raise a Txx flop but not an Axx flop? Just curious.

smaller range you can represent on a Axx flop, and worse equity when called (if we shove)

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04-13-2008 , 05:22 PM

#42

cbboy

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ok, thanks. makes sense.

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04-13-2008 , 05:26 PM

#43

Triumph36

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that is all true but i don't think it makes your hand profitable even so. it's close i guess.

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04-13-2008 , 05:38 PM

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AAismyfriend

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Seems to me that if you're calling preflop with this hand you should probably call the river here and a make a note.

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04-13-2008 , 05:42 PM

#45

nuggetz87

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yeah i think i can let this thread go now. i called for info (lolz). he had 55 for the set.

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