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03-03-2011 , 10:53 PM
i've never seen villain before. wtf is this? srsly. no reads whatsoever other than he has been minraising pre.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $6(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($1,317)
BB ($527)
UTG ($2,236)
UTG+1 ($867)
Hero ($1,232)
BTN ($600)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $18, fold, SB calls $15, BB calls $12

FLOP ($60) 4 6 3

SB bets $60, BB folds, Hero calls $60

TURN ($180) 4 6 3 Q

SB checks, Hero bets $129, SB calls $129

RIVER ($438) 4 6 3 Q T

SB bets $1,109 (AI), Hero
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03-03-2011 , 11:15 PM
The only logical hands he can have with this line seems to be overpairs, and the suited two pairs. May be bluffing busted open ender. Small set prolly c/r flop, but I'm assuming this is absent of any reads on you?
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03-03-2011 , 11:31 PM
Hmmm yea without any reads on him...I would probably call..
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03-03-2011 , 11:32 PM
this is the first time we've played together, so i doubt he has any reads on me. a back doored flush seems to make the most sense i suppose.
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03-03-2011 , 11:53 PM
cant think of alot of BDF in his range a2cc maybe??

not that big of an overbet and your percieved range is weak. i call

also not raising the flop seems not understandable to me.
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03-03-2011 , 11:54 PM
some bs 58 cc or something i bet. idk somehow i feel like your beat
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03-04-2011 , 12:11 AM
def fold, i mean whatever he has it's a ******ed line but no way you can call a 2.5x pot bet here without some sort of read.
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03-04-2011 , 01:57 AM
Fold
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03-04-2011 , 02:51 AM
uhhm flush check raises all in right?
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03-04-2011 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kagame
uhhm flush check raises all in right?
this is presumptuous. He's an unknown. I has nuts = all in. wp if it's a bluff.
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03-04-2011 , 05:08 AM
don't know what he has but seems like a fold. unknowns 99% of the time don't overbet bluff
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03-04-2011 , 05:10 AM
Easy fold for me
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03-04-2011 , 05:11 AM
oh man I didn't even see that he donked the flop. Ya he has like A4cc almost always or like TT and just didn't even think about backdoor flush (though most fish actually do notice that to a fault- at least live fish)
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03-04-2011 , 05:44 AM
Why does this villain have to be a fish?

Clearly his line is confusing the s--- out of a bunch of people on this thread; for that reason alone I think there is some value there.

Also, Overbet bluffing unknowns is the hotness.


On the hand: It seems such a strange way for villain to play something like 2 pair this way (also, wtf is his preflop range here?). My guess would be set/straight/flush or air; I'm leaning towards pair+backdoor flush (or pair+backdoor+straight draw kinda hand). But with no reads, its just a mind-f--k. FWIW, i want to call b/c I just can't figure it out; this means, btw, that fold is probably correct.
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03-04-2011 , 06:16 AM
A2-A7 clubs makes some sence, and TT although all of these seem unlikely I can imagine villain didnt want to commit 200bb on the turn and neither wanted to betfold so ended up CCalling.
I'd call if i had Ace of clubs and fold now.

Btw i disagree that its a good idea overbetblufing unknowns as it likely gets looked up with the idea "maybe a fish" or "at least i'll know how he plays if im wrong"
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03-04-2011 , 07:07 AM
these board textures are one of the few where backdoor flushes are very likely cuz people can have a lot of sc's that connect with the board.
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03-04-2011 , 07:50 AM
I would call if he had shoved for a psb but when he overbet shoves I think his range is weighted towards strong hands rather than bluffs (plus we are getting worse odds on our call).
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03-04-2011 , 10:34 AM
folding
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03-04-2011 , 10:44 AM
Super quick fold.
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03-04-2011 , 12:41 PM
if he IS terribad......then maybe a rivered twopair (lol), that's something i would see at medium stakes play money tables, in any case, someone with a grain of sense can assign a range and then run the EQ numbers?
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03-04-2011 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Supern00b
if he IS terribad......then maybe a rivered twopair (lol), that's something i would see at medium stakes play money tables, in any case, someone with a grain of sense can assign a range and then run the EQ numbers?
Assigning a range is the b---h here.
I mean, how light we're willing to push is the whole question. Which is also why I think the Ac is not necessary for villains' hand to be good. If his range is completely polarized it matters, if we think he can shove with a hand like a straight, set, or even 2 pair, then a 3 high flush is for sure an overbet here.


Should the villain be a deep thinker, which is also certainly not a given, what does he put hero on:
Is anyone here, in villains shows, expecting hero to have a flush here?
What does a thinking villain put hero on? What does a thinking villain think is heros' calling range related to his percieved range for an overbet?
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03-04-2011 , 01:33 PM
This hand isn't even close, fist pump snap fold.
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03-06-2011 , 10:22 PM
cant see a fish or reg bluff too often in this spot. I fold
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