About 25hands in, guy had folded a ton of btns and either minraised or completed (like 1 completed 9 minraises 15 folds).

I figured if i flat here and donk turn, it's going to be hard for him to continue without an ace and he could call my c/r with hands like 44/66/77/88


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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BTN/SB: t1510 50.33 BBs
Hero (BB): t1490 49.67 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with J 8
BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t120) A 5 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t60, Hero calls t60

Turn: (t240) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t120

what are his cbet tendencies?

unless he's cbetting a LOT, pitch flop every time

why the f are you getting fancy against a guy that only plays 40% of buttons on a ****ty board where you can have 5% or less equity a decent percentage of the time?
trying to win every pot eh?

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Yes, this is fps. C/f this flop and vs this villain I would open 100% of buttons and c-bet a ton. Let him have it if you get raised. Do this 'til he stops letting you.

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lol just check turn and bet river.

so I give him 2 chances to hit his hand instead of 1?

+1 for folding the flop.

What?

Well, you can rep hands better taking the other line, however, betting turn/betting most rivers could get the job done as well.

Told you borderline- SPEWY!
dont be results oriented buddy, its a bad spot, but if you want to bluff turn, at least you picked up some outs with the FD...

but yea, fold flop

Just wondering, if you guys had 5x/33/44/66/77/88 here, what do you do on the turn to this bet?

Call, ur line is weak. Do you lead Ax here??

yes.

why wouldn't I lead an A here?

I think checking the turn is better than donking. Your reasons for donking the turn seem poorly thought out.

And I think your flop play is actually okay this early, in theory, as long as it isn't a regular habit. The price is cheap and the villain seems weakish, so I don't mind getting ourselves into a marginal spot here to see what develops and how villain behaves on later streets in spots like this -- our showdown equity be damned. But it helps if you have some experience reverse floating, a sensible plan, and some opponent-specific justifications when trying something like this.

On the turn, we pick up a lot of equity against villain's non-Ax range, and some implied odds against his Ax+ hands.

We should check because we don't expect him to double barrel light. Also, to address another point OP implied: the bulk of villain's range here is not pocket pairs, but rather broadways and Ax type hands. Donking the turn will just get us called by Ax, maybe even some of the pairs, and fold out broadways. The latter is a fine result, but not worth the price of the first two outcomes.

So we check, and if he fires again, we consider his sizing, the probable strength of his holding, and our payoff on the river if we make a flush. Then call or fold accordingly. Most likely the first one.

If he checks the turn behind, we lead a lot of rivers.

I think vs a passive villain who is unlikely to raise this without a monster (i mean, what is your weakest hand you'd raise here with?) a bet is fine because he's going to call with his Ax hands, fold the broadway (which is good), and fold small pairs. And if i hit the diamond on the river, I can bet a large amount and get called quite frequently (and a small time I get his stack with a slowplayed/river 2 pair+ although sometimes I get stacked by KdTd/QdTd/KdQd).

And there isn't a lot of good river cards to barrel vs his range. I can't barrel any card higher than a T. If I hit a J, I'm probably going to c/f. 9/5/2 is a bad card to barrel because he's most likely calling with any pair. An 8, I have the best hand most likely if it goes ck/ck. So that leave the 3/4/6/7 cards I can fire comfortably.

Because you will be exploited by any decent player, but this is prolly irrelevant at a 6$ HUSNG.

ding ding ding ding.

Checking achieves the same thing essentially, but will on average cost less. In part, because we're not guaranteeing that money goes in on the turn by betting it ourselves. And in part because we get to see first if villain checks behind, meaning that our river bet is made after that information comes to us, rendering it likelier to work. This is not true of a turn donk.

Basically only an Q and K are no-goes on the river. A J or 8 often ends in you winning at showdown. The other cards you mentioned are fine to barrel. So what if the board-pairing ones might get us looked up by any pair? He'll still fold the rest of his broadway-type range, which is good enough for us.

anyone think c/r flop is better than calling

Both are bad, and calling is prolly better.

c/r flop is probably ok at $6 limit, where villains don't know how to hand read.

Not vs a guy who only opens 40% of buttons^^^^^