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11-23-2016 , 04:19 PM

bharrison

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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37521505

BTN: $6.70 (134 bb)
SB: $5.67 (113.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $9 (180 bb)
UTG: $4.58 (91.6 bb)
MP: $5.11 (102.2 bb)
CO: $6.08 (121.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN folds, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) J

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.33, MP calls $0.33, CO folds, SB calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.59) K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.14, MP calls $1.14, SB calls $1.14

River: ($5.01) J

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $3.49 and is all-in, 2 folds

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obv easy decision otr but im wondering what we would do on a blank, readless. any opinions?

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11-23-2016 , 04:46 PM

ToiletBowler

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Check call a blank.

I don't count A/Q as blanks

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11-23-2016 , 07:45 PM

mrno1324

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The flop lead is cringe worthy. It's what got you in this mess.

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11-23-2016 , 10:25 PM

Kuval

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I'd juice it preflop. Go ahead and pot. Really, the game is that loose? Okay, boom.

Then this flop comes and I'd almost just open shove and get snap called by a variety of garbage.

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11-23-2016 , 11:40 PM

whitemares

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Originally Posted by Kuval

I'd juice it preflop. Go ahead and pot. Really, the game is that loose? Okay, boom.

Then this flop comes and I'd almost just open shove and get snap called by a variety of garbage.

Not sure if this is a level. Squeezing pre is viable tho.

What is your reasoning for leading the flop? Any blank being an offsuit 2-6, easy call.

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11-24-2016 , 12:05 AM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

The flop lead is cringe worthy. It's what got you in this mess.

Yeah, he should've bet bigger. Honestly, on a jack-high flop in a srp, you can't count on a flop bet and we have a vulnerable hand. Easy bet. I'd check in a 3-way pot.

For the river, I completely agree with the initial reply itt.

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11-24-2016 , 12:17 AM

mrno1324

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Originally Posted by .isolated

... flop is a check and nothing but a check with 100% of your range 100% of the time.

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11-24-2016 , 12:46 AM

Bladesman87

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I think it's fine to have a leading range here.

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11-24-2016 , 02:19 AM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

... flop is a check and nothing but a check with 100% of your range 100% of the time.

You say it with such authority so of course I'll concede to you. You must be correct!

Oh wait! You play $5nl...

*yawn*

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11-24-2016 , 07:13 AM

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blutaky

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Definitely pot the flop. Flop is wet and any 9, T, club kills our action. Definitely fine to have an unbalanced, value heavy lead range here since 5nl players should still pay you off

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11-24-2016 , 08:06 AM

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mrno1324

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Originally Posted by .isolated

You say it with such authority so of course I'll concede to you. You must be correct!

Oh wait! You play $5nl...

*yawn*

I'm saying it so confidently because it's so obvious. This isn't some advanced concept. This convo is analogous to this
You: 2+2x2=8
Me: No, it's 6
You: Wel, well, well, look at prof Fancypants here, when did you get your phd?

But I forgot playing bad poker is correct in this forum because lol micros.
Even in a world where even 5nl regs are dumb enough not to know this is always 2p+ and disregarding balance this is still a check calling hand. Bottom two is not that great here. Pretty much any runout sucks, as shown in this hand.

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11-24-2016 , 08:18 AM

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It's ok to have a lead range but I'd prefer not to have hands like this one which present you with a completely disgusting spot if you get raised.

I'd c/c the flop and go from there

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11-24-2016 , 09:21 AM

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SH1591

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I lead the flop here about 3/4 pot, it's gonna check through a lot because V shouldn't be c betting very wide and so many cards kill our action or make us second best.

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11-24-2016 , 09:28 AM

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Roy Falak

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Anyone pro squeeze preflop?

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11-24-2016 , 09:33 AM

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mrno1324

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Originally Posted by SH1591

I lead the flop here about 3/4 pot, it's gonna check through a lot because V shouldn't be c betting very wide and so many cards kill our action or make us second best.

You're so right that many turns are bad. No card is exactly good except non club 2,3 specifically (and 7,8 obv). This is why you check call instead of lead and have no idea wtf to do on almost any turn when you get called.

EDIT: I also don't know how hero convinced himself he's betting turn for value. Also lol at even mentioning the phrase "blank river" here.

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11-24-2016 , 09:34 AM

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SH1591

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Originally Posted by Roy Falak

Anyone pro squeeze preflop?

That's a viable option too

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11-24-2016 , 09:35 AM

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SH1591

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

Bet flop, bet fold turn

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11-24-2016 , 01:25 PM

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Shamway99

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Sqz pre is kinda optimistic.
No problem with donk flop, rather well played hand.

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11-24-2016 , 01:59 PM

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IMo its not that bad to lead the flop but your hand is soooo face up and dont think this flops goes check check by everybody that often at all so that is pro for checking
PFR is going to cbett every over pair every strong Jx.Imo you can star with check and then c/r c/c or maybe c/f in some cases

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11-24-2016 , 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuval

I'd juice it preflop. Go ahead and pot. Really, the game is that loose? Okay, boom.

Then this flop comes and I'd almost just open shove and get snap called by a variety of garbage.

+1

3B pre, +EV

^ right away

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11-24-2016 , 02:29 PM

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bharrison

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thanks for all the responses, i still like the lead and seems most of you do but yh i should size up, also yh i agree a c/c a blank does look the best option otr. thanks all

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11-24-2016 , 02:43 PM

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mchares

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^ AP I like the lead otf as well, but not the turn

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11-24-2016 , 02:49 PM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

This flop is better for our range after pre than it is for the opener. When we don't squeeze pre we have all suited two pair combos, straights, 77/88, and don't expect to get many pure c-bets or stabs with air from the players in position.

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11-24-2016 , 02:54 PM

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mchares

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^ You are the man

; I agree with this: and don't expect to get many pure c-bets or stabs with air from the players in position.

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