partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
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BTN: 200.2 BB (VPIP: 26.03, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 13.89, Hands: 76)
SB: 129.8 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (BB): 264.4 BB
UTG: 210.2 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP: 178.8 BB (VPIP: 21.71, PFR: 15.61, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 422)
CO: 158.6 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 12.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 512)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.6 BB, CO raises to 21.6 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Flop: (43.6 BB, 2 players) 4 J 5
Hero checks, CO bets 20.8 BB, Hero calls 20.8 BB

Turn: (85.2 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, CO bets 24.6 BB, fold,




Effective stack is 160 bb deep, so I'd rather not get my stack in. Seems like a nitty reg, and I can't see him 4betting anything less than QQ/AK.

Folding flop seems too tight, and the turn we're getting a great price... But what can we really even hope to draw to? We could be dead, and so I choose to fold. Find myself in these spots on a semi-regular basis, so any advice is appreciated.

Call/continue OTF w/ your AKdd, and AKss, vs this sizing OTT oop, I'd like to see AKdd in your raising range to balance out hands you're looking to get in by the river. W/ most of your o/s AK's you can fold flop/turn (you can go either way, In a 4b pot, It's probably fine to fold OTF-you have plenty of hands to continue with). W/ your o/s AK's w/ the Ad/Kd you can consider turning that into a bluff vs a weak line on some run-outs (when diamonds hit), but that's not particularly advisable, as people don't hit flushes on 3 to a flush board's very often in 4b pots lol (you may only have a couple of combo's of flushes).
AP I fold turn.

Do you have any numbers for steal on CO?
I think he doesn't steal much on CO with vpip/pfr = 18/13.
I think the 4bet looks strong for this type of player and is a value/protection 4 bet vs blind defending range. I see his range for this at: JJ+ AQ+.
I would fold vs the flop bet.

If we hit the K or A on the turn or river were not ahead in most situations. Just split or loss.

Any other thougts for this spot? Especially what to do if we hit K or A on the flop? I would prefer to c/c this down then.

I x/f flop. Best scenario when we call is it gets checked down and we chop.

I'd consider that 4b range, for value, rather loose. I would expect him to be 4betting QQ+, Ak+. Which begs the question, why even call? We have 39 percent equity, and our hope is to beat his 6 combos of QQ, and MAYBE chop his AK, depending on how aggressive he is.

Just check give up flop imo, Id be happy folding to a 4bet Vs a nit as'well as i don't really get involved in calling 4bets especially with AK and especially oop.

If he doesn't 4bet wide enough to make jamming possible and doesn't defend with a range were in decent to ok shape against it begs the question why do we 3bet. We can call and play hu vs his whole range here.

this guy is a nit, 500 hands is enough to roughly know his co rfi and decide whether or not we should 3bet pre

we shouldnt ever 3b/fold AK here so i guess call but i suspect this guys 4betting range has you pretty dead

flop call is way too loose

pot odds right? there should be ~30bb in pot w ~10bb for you to call and see a flop, so the 3:1/25% you need to break even is good with the range you give him, having 39% eq right? and yea only 6combos of QQ you can flop great against but only 3 combos each of AA/KK that have you dominated (you have blockers) and then the 9 AK combos left of course but that's only 6 out of 21 combos(using your range QQ+,AK) that have you crushed and still can spike A otf vs KK, so yea after ya 3 bet, have to call here, but I would x/f otf without any special read on villian

When making a decision like this on the flop. Ask yourself if this guy is going to stop betting any time soon. Probably not. I think the call on the flop is not taking into account the bets that are coming on the turn and the river, which you probably don't want to pay off, because you aren't drawing towards anything close to the nuts.

your opponents 4-bet range: AA, KK ,QQ,JJ,AK and you beat none of them, the best case scenario is a split pot or drawing one of 6 outs vs QQ. If your opponent is holding a much wider range, you could consider bluffing the flop some of the time.

If you had AdKd (flushdraw+ 2 overcards=15outs) you could pay him off, or even semibluff if your opponent is holding a wider range because you are drawing towards the nuts, with the potential of getting his entire stack on the river. The fact that you are playing deepstacked is making the implied odds look quite nice.

I agree w OPs range, I don't think JJ would be in villians 4bet range(look at stats) but that doest really matter.... jus wanted to say watch counting your 2 overs w AdKd as outs w the action pre (Vs range) they may be, but if you hit a king, still not looking good if he wants to get stacks in

3-bet is fine. Fold to the 4-bet. Flop is bad.

if you are getting in this spot often then probably average range has some 4bet bluffs.
If you think he is not 4b anything less then QQ+AK flop should be a call.
Imo hand is played fine.You getting good price on the flop if you hit A or K you most likely are good and sometimes you have the best hand.Turn we have TT JJ QQ AJs so folding this combo is fine.

V stats are on the tighter side even though not teriibly out of line. 3b/fold AK pre is bad plan, call 4b or close eyes and 5b.
Actually Im satisfied with your line only flop is close between fold/call.

3-bet/folding AK is fine if we can get value from the 3-bet and know he's only 4-betting QQ+/AK which OP implies is the case here.

can anyone that says 3bet/fold pre explain your thoughts on that to me? I don't get it at all w the pot odds offered... unless your giving V range of just AA,KK while holding blockers or something, idk. but I think folding to 4bet pre is very bad here.

We have fine equity even if we put him on QQ+/AK but the hand doesn't end there.

1. We're oop.
2. We're not going to see all five cards very often at all.
3a. When we do hit a pair/2p, we make no money vs. Queens.
3b. When we do hit a pair/2p, we lose a bunch when behind.

yes oop sucks... but even having no implied odds(v QQ) bad reverse implied odds(v AA,KK) I cant see me folding pre getting 3:1 unless a special read on V, and 500 hands isn't a big sample size, I get his range is narrow but we have blockers, idk fold pre jus seems too nitty imo

Gotta be nitty vs nits when the money starts going in. Blocking ~38% of villain's 4betting range doesn't make it any wider.

I dont think we are that confident that V only 4bet AK+QQ,just because he open 14 % of hands dosnt mean he dont 4bet bluff those two things are not correlated.If OP has some 4bet stats then maybe we can make some better guess.

It's true villain being nitty and having a 4bet bluffing range aren't necessarily correlated, but that doesn't mean that they're not either. How often do we expect some random 5nl reg to have a 4bet bluffing range that has even 25% bluffs, let alone the nit reg?

As .isolated said, we are likely putting ourselves in a really unfavorable position by calling. I think it's possible our realized equity may take such a drastic hit that we can't even make a profitable preflop call.

I guess I'm hesitant to say that calling would be a mistake given the sizing, but I think by calling we can be setting ourselves up to make mistakes postflop that can be easily compounded.

They are not.

Its not about how comfortably is it to call,if its better then folding you got to call.Even if V has such terrible strategy of just 4beting for value we have pretty easy post flop spot,where we just dont spazz whole stack when we hit a K.

AK only has value if you see all 5 cards. Either shove if you think he's bluffing or fold pre. I'm super aggro but calling with AK oop makes the game of poker difficult.

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Again, you can't definitively say that.

You can't really say that calling is better than folding, just as you can't say folding is better than calling, so that's not an actual argument for calling. I don't think you can really say we're going to have an easy postflop spot either if villain does have such a range. We basically always have to x/f facing more than one street of betting, regardless of whether or not we make a hand.

I think it's fair to say that you can definitely call preflop, but folding isn't really leaving money at the table, if it even is at all.

Its important to say that if he has a bluffing range fild would be pretty big mistake vs this size and if he dose not have bluffs call is still okish