Villain is 21/19/67 agg % only 54 hands

75% cbet

From what I can see so far, looks like he wants to bet/raise as much as possible. I must be beating too much of his range right?

Or should I be saying small hand small pot to myself?

why are you shoving river?

Fold river. The ace hits and the villain isnt worried and is still betting. Triple barrels at most levels will be air probably less than 5% of the time and will be able to beat TPTK most of the time unless theres a fish in the hand.

Frustration I spose.

Was reading through Veneers 2010 guide last night, got to the part about playing small pots or break even poker when running bad, and then boom! I do that....not very bright.

Agreed, though in this case I thought he was barrelling light, but even so, still messed up the river.

I'd flat river and expect to be ahead most of the time. Raise doesn't accomplish anything productive as nothing worse will call you.

Yeah shoving river w Jacks in this spot, limping AK UTG ... you need to think about your game srsly.

Ya shoving river is really bad.. i don't think u beat a single hand in that spot

I cant see a situation where your ever ahead on the river. This guy isn't one bit worried about what you have, he just wants as much money in the pot as he can.

fold turn imo

raise flop imo unless you have reads he double barrels with bluffs too much. river is a close fold.

IMO river fold > call >>>>>> raise

Jacks are knaves, or "servants of royalty", not princes.

Oh and you can fold or call river, it's probably close, but raising is just horrible. Calling flop and turn is standard and you don't really have any other option on those streets.

call if aggf >x

I concur with above.

shoving the river is imo the worst thing you could have done. He's showing so much strength and I doubt you're ahead OTR a lot.

I don't think there is too much wrong with calling river, a fold is probably really close. I think you made this tougher on yourself by not 4betting pf and 3betting flop. At least then you'd have a better idea where you stand.

Hero cant 4bet pre and cant 3bet flop. Raising for info is nearly always bad.

The way this is played I'd fold the river.

I'm interested to know why you think he can't 4bet pre. He has a strong starting hand which needs protecting. Why shouldn't he make him pay to see the flop? Also the flop isn't particularly scary, why just call? Not suggesting you're wrong but just interested why you opt for just calling.

The obvious answer would be that there hasn't been enough action before him. Hero can only 3bet pre and raise flop

More terminology really, hero can only 3bet pre flop as i think he was only facing a raise wasnt he. Same with the flop hero can only raise(2bet i guess) so the villain would be the one with the option to 3bet.

Pre flop is going to be very villain dependent, 3betting a guy opening 15% from EP with JJ could be perfectly fine but 3betting a tight player with a tight EP opening range when we have a hand that dosnt do bad against that range is asking for problems.

If we decide to raise the flop we have to know the villain is bad enough to continue with worse or think we getting out of line and spazz out. Agagin against a tight player all we do is narrow his range, he is never folding better and folds all the stuff that we are ahead of essentially letting him play pretty much optimal poker against us.

For hero to 4b, there has to be a 3b right?

He can't because there hasn't been a 3bet yet.

I have to assume you're referring to 3betting rather then 4betting though. So on that note, he shouldn't because he's pretty much going to be isolating Villalin down to a range that JJ isn't in good shape against. He'll fold out almost everything that he beats, yet get called or raised by everything better.

You're thinking about Hero's hand vs Villain's range, whereas you should be thinking more along the lines of Hero's hand vs Villain's continuation range if we raise.

Yeah my terminology was wrong on flop - meant to just say raise - but im pretty sure pf if you raise someone who raises the bb then its a 4bet, sb (bet), bb (raise), raising the bb (3bet) raising the raiser (4bet) but who knows.