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5NL NS VS NFD ott 5NL NS VS NFD ott

09-18-2018 , 03:26 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (SB): $29.84 (596.8 bb)
    BB: $5.42 (108.4 bb)
    CO: $6.70 (134 bb)
    BTN: $5.59 (111.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J K
    CO raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.52, Hero calls $0.50, BB folds, CO calls $0.37

    Flop: ($1.61) T Q A (3 players)
    Hero bets $1.55, CO calls $1.55, BTN folds

    Turn: ($4.71) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4.65, CO calls $4.63 and is all-in

    River: ($13.97) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    I had to shove before cooler comes cause i hit the nut straight.
    The question is V's move ott. is it profitable?

    Also I wonder how v's preflop 3bet size works.. why would he 3bet that big with AJs? He wants to bet for value or win the pot immediately..? latter sounds better for me.


    Spoiler:
    Results: $13.97 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: T Q A 7 9
    Hero showed J K and won $13.47 ($6.77 net)
    CO showed J A and lost (-$6.70 net)
    5NL NS VS NFD ott Quote
    09-18-2018 , 03:41 AM
    What you have to do is fold pre - flatting that 3bet OOP w/ KJo is burning money.

    Your flop bet is absolutely massive as well. Why are you potting it w/ the nuts?
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    09-18-2018 , 03:58 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Poker_Player
    What you have to do is fold pre - flatting that 3bet OOP w/ KJo is burning money.

    Your flop bet is absolutely massive as well. Why are you potting it w/ the nuts?

    I don't think flatting 3bet in co with kjo against btn is that crazy.

    The reason for the flop bet size is based on v's preflop move. Even though it's too big, I thought he would call with AA(set), AQ, AT(two pairs) at least, and wanted to charge draws more than they should pay to see the turn.

    Last edited by TruthFinder; 09-18-2018 at 04:07 AM.
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    09-18-2018 , 04:19 AM
      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (SB): $16.74 (334.8 bb)
      BB: $5.58 (111.6 bb)
      UTG: $5.89 (117.8 bb)
      MP: $5 (100 bb)
      CO: $5 (100 bb)
      BTN: $5 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
      UTG raises to $0.15, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB folds, UTG calls $0.35

      Flop: ($1.05) 8 5 A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.75, UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

      Turn: ($4.05) T (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $3.89, Hero calls $3.89

      River: ($11.83) 5 (2 players)


      This is the same situation where i'm in v's position in the original hand. Facing all-in with top pair and nfd ott..


      Spoiler:
      Results: $11.83 pot ($0.49 rake)
      Final Board: 8 5 A T 5
      Hero showed K A and won $11.34 ($5.45 net)
      UTG showed Q A and lost (-$5.89 net)
      5NL NS VS NFD ott Quote
      09-18-2018 , 05:51 AM
      You were in sb in the first hand. First to act post flop, we can’t flat here very often even vs rfi’s. It’s a definite fold or raise pre flop. Btn’s 3B sizing is a little large but not completely unreasonable. Especially if he has s read that sb can call dominated hands oop 5NL NS VS NFD ott

      On the flop I do think this sizing is a bit too big, but if we’re to make oversize mistakes this is the kind of situation to do it. The spr isn’t unreasonable for our hand strength though so sizing down and not scaring of the weaker part of villains range seems better.

      A lot of the call depends on how villain see’s you. 2-1 on the call he isn’t getting the correct odds to call but he has tpgk. 1 pair should never win here, so its a losing call in a vacuum.


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      5NL NS VS NFD ott Quote
      09-18-2018 , 06:00 AM
      The 2nd hand isn’t really the same situation overall, you have tptk were villain can bet 2nd best hands. Although he probably shouldn’t, your also pretty far up your range.

      A side note is we should be 3B bigger oop. 4-5x.

      Without the 9 outs to the flush we can fold the 2nd hand on the turn as a default. Villain played it horribly. Note him.


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      09-18-2018 , 06:56 AM
      it looks like you think you played your hand as you should and when someone says anything different you just find a reason to justify your play.

      Your call preflop is terrible, also, the range you say he will call you with when you bet is almost the same range he is going to bet anyway, + he is going to bet some air the he will just fold when you bet, so you get to put even more money when you check OTF.
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      09-18-2018 , 07:41 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
      it looks like you think you played your hand as you should and when someone says anything different you just find a reason to justify your play.
      I don't know in which point you think that I think I played properly, but one thing I can confidently say here is that if I thought i played this hand properly then I wouldn't post this hand. Also it's not right judging people by poker hands they played or one single reply, you can't really know one's attitude with these. As i know this forum is for discussion, but your attitude sounds like sh*t up, just listen, and accept what we say? I replied because he asked why i did certain move. Am I not even allowed to do that because i'm a sh*tty player? I can see you play poker very well with your mind-reading superpower.

      Thanks for your opinion about my play tho I learned a lot.
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      09-18-2018 , 07:48 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Gabe16
      You were in sb in the first hand. First to act post flop, we can’t flat here very often even vs rfi’s. It’s a definite fold or raise pre flop. Btn’s 3B sizing is a little large but not completely unreasonable. Especially if he has s read that sb can call dominated hands oop 5NL NS VS NFD ott

      On the flop I do think this sizing is a bit too big, but if we’re to make oversize mistakes this is the kind of situation to do it. The spr isn’t unreasonable for our hand strength though so sizing down and not scaring of the weaker part of villains range seems better.

      A lot of the call depends on how villain see’s you. 2-1 on the call he isn’t getting the correct odds to call but he has tpgk. 1 pair should never win here, so its a losing call in a vacuum.


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      Thank you it helped me tons.
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      09-18-2018 , 07:50 AM
      maybe you are right, maybe I did concluded wrongly, if so, sorry, but it just looked to me that way
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      09-18-2018 , 07:55 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
      maybe you are right, maybe I did concluded wrongly, if so, sorry, but it just looked to me that way
      The one thing you can judge in this thread is whether i'm a fish or not and you know the answer lol
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      09-18-2018 , 09:44 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Poker_Player
      What you have to do is fold pre - flatting that 3bet OOP w/ KJo is burning money.
      ^This^. If you're in the SB and there is a raise and a 3-bet in front, you shouldn't be flatting with anything. Only about 4% of hands are playable in that spot, and all of them should be cold 4-bets. (KJo is not a cold 4-betting hand. I don't even play AQo in that spot.)
      Sometimes generalizations are not very useful, but if I see someone cold-call a 3-bet in the blinds and they don't have JJ or TT, I mark them as a fish.
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