Curious what how some of you would have played this draw. Villain was 68/10/.81 AF over like 100 hands. My take was that I didn't have fold equity like ever in this hand, especially on the turn.


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Hero (UTG): $5.03
CO: $6.79
BTN: $1.56
SB: $2.90
BB: $2.29

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with T 9
Hero raises to $0.06, CO raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.23) 9 4 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.67) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.44, Hero raises to $1.12, CO calls $0.68

River: ($2.91) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Why do you open UTG with marginal drawing hand? fold preflop
Why do you open for only 3bb? raise more when you open.
I'd like to c/r flop where we have a lot of equity, and then bet turn if called on flop.

turn card doesn't change board texture, it is not scary card to double barrel on as bluff, that's why I think it is very likely that villain has made hand, which probably better than our pair, and he won't fold it,
So c/r turn is bad because we inflate pot with marginal made hand, with already small drawing potential, and with little if any FE .

Furthemore when we check river to him, villain may put us on marginal holdings or insuccessful, and he valuebet his hand.
Thus we doesn't get to showdon.

If you decide to c/c flop, it is better to c/c turn too

If you don't have any FE as you think, why bother raising the turn then.

this

c/r flop and get it in there.

Does this change against a passive player like this? My take when a passive player minreraises, it's usually a fairly strong hand, if not AA. That being said it might be fair to assume he's going to cbet the flop and I can go for a checkraise. Although assuming a passive player is going to bet and I can get in a c/r would be a bit of a stretch at other times right?

Either way I agree that a c/r on the turn was bad because he's not folding.

and what about leading the flop?

If preflop as played...
I would overbet pot a little on flop prob 30 and push if i got raised
bet call turn, fold to an all in tho
check fold a missed river and check call with made two pair and push if we hit a 9 or flush

Does this sound ok?

PS i did not look at spoiler

your equity on flop vs AA is 52/48, you have just monster draw pair+FD, so I like to get it in no matter what.

if passive player miniraises preflop, it can be monster or it can be not.
But if he show some agression preflop, you can expect him to continue this agression on flop(C-bet percentage is helpful here) , so it is very likely that you'll able to check/raise flop, and get it in faster than in case when you are leading flop, because passive player can just call down you donk.
And if he is checkind behind flop, it is very likely that you can take it down on turn.

I like c/r line more.

P.S Remember if you lead flop, no matter what, you have to double barrel turn.

Barring everyone ignoring the villains stats as they seem to be doing i think your only real mistake as played was raising the turn, as once your passive villain bets out you want to call and hit your fd.

To the people saying c/r flop getting it in,
1) Do you c/r shove over the 22 cent bet thats effectively now a .45$ pot?
2) Does the villain really call this bet ever?

Look at his AF. Sure, he plays a lot of hands. But it seems like he doesn't bet hands unless he actually has something. That makes this c/r OTT very -EV, because he is never going to fold a Q or KK or AA, which is what he is repping.
And its 2nl, not 5nl.

IF he has Qx, KK+, we are 50/50 on flop, because we have 9 outs for flush, 2 for trips, 3 for 2pair, 14 outs in total, though villain can spike better hand, but nevertheless we are coinflip against top of his range. All the dead money make our c/r/shove profitable.
Furthemore he can have a little bit wider range, and then we are even in better shape here.

what's differnce between NL2 and NL5?

if you want to see some equitty between range, download pokerstove.

fold preflop and don't think of the rest.

I understand we have good equity in the pot. I understand we can coinflip. But why do we want to seriously? We can play poker and not be scared of playing a turn and outplaying our oppenent. Our passive oppenent has donked not once but twice. Obviously this wouldn't be a problem but the c/r shove looks so f'in horrible. Would you take this same line with a set? I mean the more i think about it the more i understand your line but can we play this more optimally.

yes we want, because if we get to the turn with some chips, as we do in this hand, our equity drops dramaticaly

T is not an out for us against pocket aces, because it is already aces up.
Thus we have 2 outs for trips and 9 for flush, 22% for the river,
is it profitable now even to call on turn?
that's why we have to get it in while we are ahead.

How do you want to outplay your opponent?

yes, I'd take the same line with set on a drawy board,
because if we hold a set we are ahead of any draw, monster draw or whatsoever. If we get to the turn and third flush card falls, it can hit villain's draw, or it can scary him off , if he has TP.

if the board is bone dry I can consider different lines with my set.

P.S. we have to play our big hand fast, slowplay is rarely ever good.

I don't mind the flop c/r ship as long as we get enough calls for it to be optimal. I'm warming to it as a play despite it seeming poor when i first looked at it. It probably is the best way to play it overall. Just when i first looked at it it seemed to use our equity badly but i suppose if they're gonna call any check raise then the c/r ship is definitely the best bet sizing.

Just to add to that, my question about the set probably would not apply at these stakes as it has more to do with range balancing.

PF was standard. Flop was ok. With no fold equity call is better than raise. Turn you are better off folding against villain that's not folding. You don't have the odds to draw and very little fold equity if any.

The problem with our hand that it is not made yet, that's why it is good when he folds. The reason to play draws agressively is that we need to use some Fold Equity.

when I say that I play a set the same way on drawy board , it is not for sake of balancing my range.
Reason to get it in with on drawy board is that
we ahead now of any possible draw,
if third flush crads falls on flop,
villain may shut down with his ,for example, TP, because he sees 3flush cards on board.
villain may hit his FD, in this case if get it in on turn we are already behind.

That's why I want to get it in on flop while we are ahead and there is no scary turn card yet.

if I flop a set on bone dry board, I have the board totally crushed, there is no chance that villain can outdraw me, that's why I like to check/call flop, to give villain hit some marginal pair or draw. Thus I can get more value from villain.

Why would we fold the turn this deep against someone who is never folding? Our implied odds are just ridiculous against these fish.

FWIW i prefer c/r flop and looking to get it in. The turn raise here is vile. The turn is a bad card to try and make him fold. His entire range continues when you raise the turn on that card.

villain mini3bet preflop, and then makes potsize bet on flop, it seems to me as if he has big pocket pair KK+. But against this range we are coinflipping if we get it in on flop.
furthemore if we c/r and get called we can build the pot for our big hand when we hit it.
but with c/c on flop, it is no way that we can get all 250bb in the pot.