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5NL - Middle Pair vs winning regular in multiway pot 5NL - Middle Pair vs winning regular in multiway pot

03-01-2010 , 05:27 PM
SB is winning reg @5NL, multitabling, I dont have many hands on him, according to my db he played 25/4/1.1 over 70
BB is unknown. Played so far: loose-passive / calling station

Hero (CO): $5.08
SB: $10.00
BB: $4.07

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 9 9
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 1 fold, SB calls $0.23, BB calls $0.20, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) Q Q 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.80) Q (3 players)
SB bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40, Hero ???


Flop: I missed the flop CB obv. I just dont like CBetting in multiway pots. Big mistake?

Turn: Is there any value in calling/raising here? In retrospect SB could have 33+ and I beat 44-88. His preflop call looks like SC or PP. So he could be betting to get the dead money and protect his hand from further overcards. I am not worried about the BB.
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03-01-2010 , 05:55 PM
Yeah you should raise. Dont you think a winning reg would 3bet a Higher pp then 99 preflop. I wouldnt be able to get away from 99 here.
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03-01-2010 , 05:57 PM
Raising is pretty bad here after an overcall. Call and try to get to showdown cheap. Bet the river if checked to.

Definitely c-bet this flop.
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03-01-2010 , 06:05 PM
cbet flop 100% for value and protection
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03-01-2010 , 06:12 PM
What are they gonna Hold thats better then 9s and not 3bet pre. Do we realisticly fear 4 Queens? I agree with cbet 100% but if he has me beat hes gonna take My stack..
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03-01-2010 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by isac1984
What are they gonna Hold thats better then 9s and not 3bet pre. Do we realisticly fear 4 Queens? I agree with cbet 100% but if he has me beat hes gonna take My stack..
The question should be "what has a higher EV, calling or rasing?"

Raising will allow a lot of weaker hands to fold more often than if you call and either bet or raise the river, card and play depending.
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03-01-2010 , 07:08 PM
as op says BB is prob loose weak callingstation. Think atleast he might call à properly sized raise here. But reading stacksizes à call and then à raise/bet on river might be more profitable since its the big stack who bets turn.

Whats the Word on alnost minraising turn and then bet river small to induce à river raise from villain.
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03-01-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by isac1984
Whats the Word on almost minraising turn and then bet river small to induce à river raise from villain.
small bets to induce raises are good when villan's range is made of mostly air if you minRaise turn and he calls all of his range will have SD value so won't raise you. bet river for value 2/3P-full pot depending on the villan

Last edited by gotnonick; 03-01-2010 at 07:40 PM.
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03-01-2010 , 07:52 PM
Bet flop and raise turn.

If you bet the flop then you are most likely going to take it down.

When you raise the river you are showing strength and will most likely take it down. He will only call with smaller PP or maybe the 3 and will most likely 3 bet you with a better hand, then you can fold.
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03-01-2010 , 08:37 PM
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Flop: I missed the flop CB obv. I just dont like CBetting in multiway pots. Big mistake?
cbet both for value (worse pocket pairs call + overcards from fish) and protection (they easily can both have overcards). any T,J,Q,K,A kills your action.
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