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nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning

03-22-2011 , 06:24 AM
2c 5c, folded to me on the cutoff. I open with suited connectors and get called by the button.

Villian is 86/14, but it's only 7 hands so may be ireelevant.

I cbet the flop for two reasons. Verneer says in his videos that hu we should be cbetting almost everything. Also in one of the stickies someone said cbetting is good when we can be drawing to a great hand, in this case a straight. So I bet and he calls.

The turn is where I think I may have messed up but not entirely sure. He didn't show me anything on the flop really, so I think I'll check and try to get a free card instead of firing another bet and missing the straight on the river. All of a sudden he bets. He bets 1/3 pot. I just call. Of course the river is nothing and pairs the board. Check fold from me.

I think if I can learn to play in these spots better maybe I'll start winning.

So I guess my questions are, should I have fired another bet on the turn? When I checked the turn and he bet, could I have checkraised him with the semibluff? When he bet the turn could I have just folded and moved on to the next hand?


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8343012

    BB: $6.23 (124.6 bb)
    UTG: $5.36 (107.2 bb)
    MP: $6.32 (126.4 bb)
    Hero (CO): $5 (100 bb)
    BTN: $1.57 (31.4 bb)
    SB: $7.67 (153.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 5
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.37) 7 9 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.77) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

    River: ($1.27) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.97, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.27 pot ($0.06 rake)
    Final Board: 7 9 4 Q 4
    Hero mucked 6 5 and lost (-$0.60 net)
    BTN mucked and won $1.21 ($0.61 net)



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    nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning Quote
    03-22-2011 , 06:46 AM
    dont open suited connectors if a loose passive short stack is sitting on your left, who calls a ton of your opens and doesnt like to fold.

    1. you need good implied odds to play suited connectors profitably, which isnt the case if villain has only 30bb.

    2. you want to play as often as possible in position with such hands, makes life so much easier.

    in general you should play hands with good TPTK potential if you play vs. short stackers i.e. KQ, KJ, KT etc.

    as played I fire turn and be done with the hand if villain calls again.
    nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning Quote
    03-22-2011 , 06:53 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cosmic Baby
    dont open suited connectors if a loose passive short stack is sitting on your left, who calls a ton of your opens and doesnt like to fold.

    1. you need good implied odds to play suited connectors profitably, which isnt the case if villain has only 30bb.

    2. you want to play as often as possible in position with such hands, makes life so much easier.

    in general you should play hands with good TPTK potential if you play vs. short stackers i.e. KQ, KJ, KT etc.

    as played I fire turn and be done with the hand if villain calls again.
    I think I like your advice of firing the turn again and giving up if villian calls. I lose the same amount of money if he raises me on the turn and I fold, or if he calls and I give up on flop, but I also have one more shot of taking it down right away at no extra cost to how I would play the rest of the hand.
    nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning Quote
    03-22-2011 , 07:34 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cosmic Baby
    dont open suited connectors if a loose passive short stack is sitting on your left, who calls a ton of your opens and doesnt like to fold.

    in general you should play hands with good TPTK potential if you play vs. short stackers i.e. KQ, KJ, KT etc..
    This. If you have such a loose player on your left you have to tighten up and play your value hands. You want your fish on your right and not your left if possible, and shortstackers on your right and not your left. Opening this in the CO vs this kind of a villain is a huge leak.
    nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning Quote
    03-22-2011 , 07:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by johnnieYX
    This. If you have such a loose player on your left you have to tighten up and play your value hands. You want your fish on your right and not your left if possible, and shortstackers on your right and not your left. Opening this in the CO vs this kind of a villain is a huge leak.
    Awesome, these smaller pf leaks are really what I need to work on. I generally try to stay mindful of who is on my left, but people come and go so fast at these 2c 5c tables, and with only 7 hands on villian I didn't even take his stats seriously. Looking now though, even at 7 hands, his vpip is 86 and I should have payed better attention to this.
    nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning Quote
    03-22-2011 , 09:43 AM
    I think you played it fine apart from pre. It's a really poor open. Basically when you've got a loose passive shortstacker on your left you wanna be opening hands with raw high card strength not suited connectors.

    Flop's standard but I really hate barreling the turn. It's a good card to double barrel but the guys a fishy short stacker who's already called one street on a dry board. Generally this means he has a pair and will almost never be folding. Not to mention when we check he, this type of villain will check behind a lot and bet small enough for us to get good odds other times too.

    I haven't done the maths but surely we can call turn and open shove river when we hit profitably.
    nl, I open the cutoff with suited connectors. Think my turn play may be why I'm not winning Quote

          
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