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03-24-2008 , 07:46 AM

grumpy64

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Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.02 BB (10 handed) Ultimate Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($1.81)
CO ($1.88)
Button ($2.01)
Hero ($2.61)
BB ($4.41)
UTG ($.47)
UTG+1 ($.99)
UTG+2 ($1.94)
MP1 ($.80)
MP2 ($1.27)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

, A

.
5 folds, CO calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.08) 4

, A

, 9

(5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, BB folds, St folds, CO calls $0.16, Button calls $0.14.

Turn: ($0.56) 3

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.58, CO raises to $1.16, Button folds, Hero calls $0.58.

River: ($2.88) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.54 (All-In), Hero

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03-24-2008 , 07:56 AM

grumpy64

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The line of the co leads me to think that he has a big hand. Penny nl players love to play sets and 2 pair just the way he/she played this but you will sometimes run into spewtards that are behind us and even bluffs very rarely. In all honesty i expect us to be behind on the river atleast 2 out of 3 hands but we are geting over 6-1. So do we call or fold?

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03-24-2008 , 07:59 AM

theflyingcow

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Just get it in on turn and we won't have to deal with this problem. C/fing when getting like 6:1 to call river is waaaay too weak and too much of a hero fold IMO.

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03-24-2008 , 08:04 AM

grumpy64

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I will post results later

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03-24-2008 , 08:53 AM

goingfishing

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Stick it in on the turn...

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03-24-2008 , 06:24 PM

Ace Smokin

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push turn. call river. I'm not sure I like flop overbet raise, but I can't think of any good reasons why not so whatever.

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03-24-2008 , 06:28 PM

SammyG-SD

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fold flop, aces we beat, A8, A7 A6.

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03-24-2008 , 06:40 PM

KurtSF

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b/f flop if you want to take a stab at this imo.

As played, c/f turn. Your hand's no good once your big c/r is called in 2 spots.

This is not a good flop for your hand in a multi-way limped pot. Trips, 2pair, FD are the kinds of flops you want to play like this.

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03-24-2008 , 07:40 PM

grumpy64

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Originally Posted by KurtSF

are we really suppose to fold a fd geting almost 4-1 and even better if we include implied odds? Or are you assuming that villan ha a set or 2 pair and that some of our outs are dead? I probably should of lead out on the flop.

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03-24-2008 , 07:45 PM

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here is the entire hand

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.02 BB (10 handed) Ultimate Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($1.81)
CO ($1.88)
Button ($2.01)
Hero ($2.61)
BB ($4.41)
UTG ($.47)
UTG+1 ($.99)
UTG+2 ($1.94)
MP1 ($.80)
MP2 ($1.27)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

, A

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5 folds, CO calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.08) 4

, A

, 9

(5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, BB folds, St folds, CO calls $0.16, Button calls $0.14.

Turn: ($0.56) 3

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.58, CO raises to $1.16, Button folds, Hero calls $0.58.

River: ($2.88) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.54 (All-In), Hero calls $0.54.

Final Pot: $3.96

Results in white below:
Hero has Th Ah (one pair, aces).
UTG has (one pair, aces).
CO has 4c 4d (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome:

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03-24-2008 , 08:15 PM

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ChuckyB

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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

fold flop, aces we beat, A8, A7 A6.

$0.02 to us on the flop and you want to fold? With a back-door draw and potential counterfeit cards that help us beat 2-pair hand?

wow.

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03-24-2008 , 10:56 PM

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KurtSF

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Originally Posted by grumpy64

The only reason you're getting 4:1 is because you spewed $0.58 leading the turn. No offence, but there is no chance your hand is good, and its not a good a bluff because you don't have much (if any) fold equity.

Look at Sammy's list of hands we beat. I've never played 5NL... do people really call a big check-raise with those hands? I can't imagine....

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03-25-2008 , 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KurtSF

yes they do but when the falt caller raised me on the turn it screamed set but how ever we got their we are geting odds to chase the flush.

Last edited by grumpy64; 03-25-2008 at 12:28 AM. Reason: to contnue though

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03-25-2008 , 01:10 AM

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KurtSF

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Yeah, and if you opened preflop to $3.50 you'd easily have odds to call a shove.

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03-25-2008 , 01:11 AM

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Chargers In 08

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grunch...The river is the least interesting street in this hand. Bet the flop, there's no reason to c/r. Bet less on the turn and as played just shove after his raise.

Last edited by Chargers In 08; 03-25-2008 at 01:25 AM.

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03-25-2008 , 01:22 AM

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Raiseindoubt

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allin in the turn

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03-25-2008 , 04:50 AM

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Bacon

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fold flop, aces we beat, A8, A7 A6.

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Originally Posted by ChuckyB

$0.02 to us on the flop and you want to fold? With a back-door draw and potential counterfeit cards that help us beat 2-pair hand?

wow.

This would be my ideal reasoning folding river.

Some stats on the villain would be nice.

Readless:
Lead flop +1
Bet less turn+1
As played : Fold river.

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03-25-2008 , 08:21 AM

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grumpy64

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Originally Posted by Bacon

This would be my ideal reasoning folding river.

Some stats on the villain would be nice.

Readless:
Lead flop +1
Bet less turn+1
As played : Fold river.

Gladly sir but for some strange reason
bdbranch is not showing up in my pt db. When i search on that name it comes up empty

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03-25-2008 , 09:46 AM

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KurtSF

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Originally Posted by grumpy64

Gladly sir but for some strange reason
bdbranch is not showing up in my pt db. When i search on that name it comes up empty

Preferences -> all dates

Is the filter on

?

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Originally Posted by grumpy64

yes they do but when the falt caller raised me on the turn it screamed set but how ever we got their we are geting odds to chase the flush.

You were toast once the flop c/r was called. You don't need turn action to "scream set", it was already made plain on the flop.

imo

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03-26-2008 , 04:46 AM

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grumpy64

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Originally Posted by KurtSF

Preferences -> all dates

Is the filter on

?

You were toast once the flop c/r was called. You don't need turn action to "scream set", it was already made plain on the flop.

imo

i had a player filter on but it's fixed now

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03-26-2008 , 04:50 AM

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grumpy64

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info on bdbranch

bdbranch vp$ip 31.4
agr 1.62

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