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03-19-2010 , 04:01 PM
So yesterday is has come to my attention that I don't know what I am doing. So I will be posting some hands to see if people can correct my lines. Here are 2 similar but different hands. Now that I look at them, I think they are played horribly, so critisize away... I probably should not have even played them from UTG, but here is what happened:

Hand1: villan is 16/13/6 over 88 hands.
Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BTN: $6.92
SB: $5.02
BB: $3.69
Hero (UTG): $7.98
UTG+1: $5.00
MP1: $5.22
MP2: $5.39
CO: $2.07

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with J K
Hero raises to $0.20, 5 folds, SB requests TIME, SB raises to $0.65, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.35) A J 3 (2 players)
SB requests TIME, SB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.95) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.95) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.95, SB folds


Hand2: villan is fishy at 61/17/7 over 18 hands.
Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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SB: $6.58
BB: $5.00
Hero (UTG): $6.91
UTG+1: $2.26
MP1: $5.01
MP2: $5.00
CO: $5.00
BTN: $3.55

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with K J
Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($1.12) 3 2 J (3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MP2 folds, BTN calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.72) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($2.72) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
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03-19-2010 , 04:03 PM
in both those hands you should be folding KJ UTG and in hand one folding to the 3-bet
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03-19-2010 , 04:08 PM
fold pre for both. dont over bet the river in the first hand. 2nd hand: you should be folding to the 3bet & not betting so much on the flop. also bet the turn and river. you played everything horribly.

AGAIN-> fold pre.

fix your bet sizing too
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03-19-2010 , 04:12 PM
fold pre, sorry to re-itterate.
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03-19-2010 , 04:15 PM
Fold pre. 2nd hand is bad. Lets donk TP, then go "OMG OVERCARD!"
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03-19-2010 , 04:17 PM
Comment on Hand 1:
Playing KJs UTG is fine IF you know what you are doing. If one is struggling, I would get rid of those trouble hands until we get into late position.

Once you are 3bet, you need to have a plan if you are going to continue, I suggest most players dump this here for the following reasons:
1) BB may be 3betting wider than normal, but he is 3betting YOUR UTG range, this is not the case of him defending his blind against an obvious steal attempt.
2) We have to have a read and plan on how we are going to play post flop. If we think we can float the flop/steal the turn a good enough time then flatting is fine, but we need to have the hand reading skills to do this and a read.

On the turn if you get here, you really need to fire here, as his check really polarizes his range to TPGK+ to weak hands he doesn't want to continue with.

River is a SHOVE.
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03-19-2010 , 04:21 PM
Hand 2:
See comment about playing trouble hands in my first comment..
Once we are 3bet, even though its a min bet, I would suggest a struggling player dump here as we will be OOP with out initiative in a multiway pot, we can call but we need to know we are not calling to stack off with TPGK...we are playing for a str8/flush.

Flop is a c/f.
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03-19-2010 , 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tushkanchik
So yesterday is has come to my attention that I don't know what I am doing.


Quote:
Originally Posted by tushkanchik
I probably should not have even played them from UTG
Thats right.


Hand1: If u think the table is uber tight it might be ok to occasionally raise your hands, BUT you have to fold 0.5 seconds after the 3bet.

Fold flop would be better, against an unknown. I like turn and river.


Hand2: Preflop see hand1.

Postflop i dont mind the donkbet and the turn check. (that doesnt mean its the best way to play it, ldo.) Against that fish you could even bet the river.



EDIT: Because you are new to the forums: always prefer Sammies advice in HHs over mine.
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