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5NL AK in 4bet vs donk shove 5NL AK in 4bet vs donk shove

01-08-2014 , 11:55 AM
both villains unknown, I can't really call the shove on this board can I?

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $7.37 (147.4 bb)
UTG: $2.52 (50.4 bb)
MP: $14.04 (280.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.60 (92 bb)
SB: $13.99 (279.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.70, MP folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $0.80

Flop: ($3.07) 9 5 Q (2 players)
BB bets $5.87 and is all-in, Hero folds (3.50 behind)
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01-08-2014 , 11:57 AM
Flod
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01-08-2014 , 12:03 PM
Fdol
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01-08-2014 , 12:09 PM
Fodl
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01-08-2014 , 12:13 PM
Dolf
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01-08-2014 , 12:22 PM
with AK here (second to act post F) i would try to commit pre F with 4 bet to 1.90 and on F calling everything
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01-08-2014 , 01:11 PM
like they said call
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01-08-2014 , 01:14 PM
Clal.

Last edited by Bladesman87; 01-08-2014 at 01:14 PM. Reason: But seriously, dlof
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01-08-2014 , 02:18 PM
Real question is why u min 4! AK?

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01-08-2014 , 02:26 PM
Do the math. Do u have 33% vs his range. I would also expect his range to Include more FD hands since u gave him an awesome price by min 4!
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01-08-2014 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudPacquiao
Real question is why u min 4! AK?

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Cuz there's no need to go bigger, especially if we'd ever 4b/f

and this isn't really close to a min 4b
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01-08-2014 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VantACoo-key?
Cuz there's no need to go bigger, especially if we'd ever 4b/f

and this isn't really close to a min 4b
Yes ur right. It isn't a min 4! But why are we 4! Do we really expect a villain to fold to our sizing?



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01-08-2014 , 02:58 PM
Yes we have fold equity, not that we care too much about that.
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01-08-2014 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudPacquiao
Yes ur right. It isn't a min 4! But why are we 4! Do we really expect a villain to fold to our sizing?



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Do we want him to fold?
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01-08-2014 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by VantACoo-key?
Do we want him to fold?
The question is do we want him to call in a 75bb pot where we flop to like 30% of time?

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01-08-2014 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudPacquiao
The question is do we want him to call in a 75bb pot where we flop to like 30% of time?

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Open shove pre then
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01-08-2014 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
Open shove pre then
this
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01-08-2014 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudPacquiao
The question is do we want him to call in a 75bb pot where we flop to like 30% of time?

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Yes.

He won't always shove, and we might consider calling off on some flops. Just not this one.
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01-08-2014 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
Open shove pre then

That's my point. I'd rather shove than 3! To a number that's likely to get called. Also AK isn't a made hand. When we miss OTF we are behind all pairs and when we hit it's a scare card. In this hand I think shoving is best. With dead money in pot its def +EV
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01-08-2014 , 06:02 PM
^never inducing 5bet bluffs = nit
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01-08-2014 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudPacquiao
That's my point. I'd rather shove than 3! To a number that's likely to get called. Also AK isn't a made hand. When we miss OTF we are behind all pairs and when we hit it's a scare card. In this hand I think shoving is best. With dead money in pot its def +EV
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If he never folds anything he opens to our raise sizing then that's pretty damn awesome because we beat his range.

What you're saying is pretty much just open shove all value hands because they might hit a flop.
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01-08-2014 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudPacquiao
No I'm not. But the sizing is getting called by everything the BB 3! Where as if u 4! To $2 u have more FE and can call or jam any flop and have decent EV

With the sizing of hero 4! I would expect him to have KK or AA maybe QQ bc these are hands we want calls with With AK pre we want folds. Its different if we 3! A passive idiot with AK, then yes I want calls. But lol if u are 4! An unknown for value with AKo. Your profit is gonna come from FE and if called we have decent equity post flop

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01-08-2014 , 10:02 PM
Flat and play a pot in position with AKo is superior to 4betting here.
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01-09-2014 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by VantACoo-key?
Do we want him to fold?
If he has a pair, then yes. When there's enough money in the pot we win more when the opponent folds a flip than we make by playing for stacks preflop, particularly since AKo is behind a pair a bit.
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