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5NL AK 3bet pot hitting a king and facing a 3bet 5NL AK 3bet pot hitting a king and facing a 3bet

02-24-2010 , 09:03 PM
hello all, first hand i'm posting.

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $9.27
UTG+1: $5.00
UTG+2: $6.35
MP1: $1.61
Hero (MP2): $5.33
CO: $1.75
BTN: $8.33
SB: $10.16
BB: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP2 with A K
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.27) K 7 4 (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, UTG+2 raises to $2.25, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($5.77) 9 (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $3.50 all in, Hero ??

Spoiler:

UTG+2 bets $3.50 all in, Hero calls $2.48 all in
River: ($10.73) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $10.73
UTG+2 shows 8s 8d (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows As Kd (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins $10.02
(Rake: $0.71)


villian is 27/17 over 30 hands.

from my experience small flop bets are usually weak, here i thought he might be drawing to spades (even though i had the ace) and with tptk i decided to raise.
didn't put him on aa/kk as most likely he would of 4bet pre. facing the 3bet is this almost always 77/44 and therefore a fold? to such a min raise?

thanks!
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02-24-2010 , 11:00 PM
Most players at small stakes don't lead sets, more likely his donk is a draw / air / etc...
At micros I think folding here would be criminal unless you know villain is a nit. I shove flop after his re-raise.
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02-24-2010 , 11:09 PM
Get it in on the flop put the decision back on him if he has a set so be it,

At this level flopping a set most players will CR no lead out and there.

Shove the flop take his chips and move on
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02-24-2010 , 11:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoot59
Most players at small stakes don't lead sets, more likely his donk is a draw / air / etc...
At micros I think folding here would be criminal unless you know villain is a nit. I shove flop after his re-raise.
Agreed. Shove flop.

As played, definite call.
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02-25-2010 , 04:19 AM
i think i call too much in general and a big majority of the substantial pots i loose are op/tptk vs. a set, but this hand probably is different because of the donk.

thanks.
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02-25-2010 , 07:36 AM
Yea this is so much villain has no clue what he's doing. disagree about people leading off with sets because some do. But they do it with a bigger donkbet and they will shove over a re-raise. So having said that, i thinking shoving on the flop is correct play.
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02-25-2010 , 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stry67
Yea this is so much villain has no clue what he's doing. disagree about people leading off with sets because some do. But they do it with a bigger donkbet and they will shove over a re-raise. So having said that, i thinking shoving on the flop is correct play.
+1, we lose to a tiny range and he can obv have some spaz hands here.
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02-25-2010 , 11:11 AM
Disagree with shipping flop comments.

Why are we "putting him to a decision for his chips" with worse hands? That's generally what you want to do when you don't have the best hand imo because you want a fold from either a better hand or a big equity chunk.

Sure, worse sometimes calls a raise (as per spoiler lol), but calling the donkbet widens that calling range (which I think was accomplished when we called after he thankfully 3bet-bluffed instead of b/f).

We can still get it in on the turn/river if in fact villain is a 1/2-sane person and convinces himself that his KT/QQ-etc is good or that he can bluff us off our TT-QQ because we would obviously raise flop with KK/AA/AK. I'm not really worried about the FD when we have the BDNFD as well.

Those donkbets are "where do I stand?" bets, so why give him the correct answer?
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02-25-2010 , 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JH1
Those donkbets are "where do I stand?" bets, so why give him the correct answer?
I was about to disagree with this but then looked the hand a bit closer. You know quite well that on this level small donk bets are often draws, so raising them is almost always the correct move. because villain opened and called a 3bet, my instinct tells me he would often have Axs. Like you noted however, we hold the flush draw ace. King is on board, so even most suited broadways are removed.

That makes the flop relatively dry. While raising certainly isn't wrong, calling the weak donk may indeed invite villain to put money in more eagerly on later streets with a big part of his range. While I am in general a big proponent of not allowing flush draws to set their own price, on this board and on this particular case they are not that much of a threat.

Rather unusual hand, I think.
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