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5NL / AA vs Flush Card on River (How 2 Play River when River Card scares the Hell out of you) 5NL / AA vs Flush Card on River (How 2 Play River when River Card scares the Hell out of you)

10-14-2009 , 03:44 AM
Hey Guys,

i take this game as example for one of my problems - how to play river when you lost confidence in your cards. I have this problem mostly when having a hand like TPGK/BK or Overpairs and got two Calls on Flop and Turn. I reduce my River Bet dramatically (to reduce losses) - which has two results

- I loose money the games i win (wondering how someone can call down PSB with middle pairs) and
- I loose even more money when i loose, as i get min-reraised (and calling 1USD on a 4USD Pot with Pocket Aces is a must

how can i improve my game here?

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $9.04
SB: $8.48
BB: $4.40
UTG: $9.67
UTG+1: $4.31
Hero (UTG+2): $5.00
MP1: $11.04
MP2: $2.76
CO: $6.34

Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero is UTG+2 with A A
2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, 4 folds, BB checks

i was planing for 4betting, but the other ones had other ideas

Flop: ($0.13) J K 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.73) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP1 calls $0.70, BB folds

River: ($2.13) T (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, MP1 raises to $2, Hero calls $1

MP1 had a A-High Flush (i would have put him on 2pair or set), alltough his odds for calling were terrible, the implied odds i gave him were perfect
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10-14-2009 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerbiker
Hey Guys,

i take this game as example for one of my problems - how to play river when you lost confidence in your cards. I have this problem mostly when having a hand like TPGK/BK or Overpairs and got two Calls on Flop and Turn. I reduce my River Bet dramatically (to reduce losses) - which has two results

- I loose money the games i win (wondering how someone can call down PSB with middle pairs) and
- I loose even more money when i loose, as i get min-reraised (and calling 1USD on a 4USD Pot with Pocket Aces is a must

how can i improve my game here?

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $9.04
SB: $8.48
BB: $4.40
UTG: $9.67
UTG+1: $4.31
Hero (UTG+2): $5.00
MP1: $11.04
MP2: $2.76
CO: $6.34

Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero is UTG+2 with A A
2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, 4 folds, BB checks

i was planing for 4betting, but the other ones had other ideas

Flop: ($0.13) J K 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.73) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP1 calls $0.70, BB folds

River: ($2.13) T (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, MP1 raises to $2, Hero calls $1

MP1 had a A-High Flush (i would have put him on 2pair or set), alltough his odds for calling were terrible, the implied odds i gave him were perfect
Don't post results until after you've gotten more responses.

Never limp AA preflop at the micros. Seriously just don't do it.

As for the rest of the hand, I would bet a little less on the turn but think it's fine up until the river. Every single draw got there and MP1's range includes a lot of two pairs that already beat you anyway. There's literally nothing you beat that will call that bet so just check it.

Also villain did not have implied odds to draw he only got 3x the amt he invested to call on the turn to hit his flush; he needed at to win at least $3 on the river to make it a break even call on the turn. That's not even taking into account the flop call with just a backdoor flush draw.
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10-14-2009 , 06:19 AM
i had btw no real stats on Villain.

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Originally Posted by s.boxer
As for the rest of the hand, I would bet a little less on the turn but think it's fine up until the river.
this is interessting, i was thinking about overbetting turn to around 1usd; there are some 2pair / sd / FD out there. this would have given very bad odds for them to call.

would you habe betted smaller because of pot control (AA is very weak hand here with all those draws) to keep the pot smaller, or any other reason.

Quote:
Originally Posted by s.boxer
Every single draw got there and MP1's range includes a lot of two pairs that already beat you anyway. There's literally nothing you beat that will call that bet so just check it.
c/f or c/c (1/2 or 3/4 PSB)? the blocking bet gave me 3:1 which would have been ok. i have enough examples of people calling down 3 streets with middle pair and of course TPWK.
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10-14-2009 , 06:19 AM
never ever even think about not raising your premium hands on nl2. you see were it leads you too.

i bet the turn aprox 0.50 cent and c/c the river in this special case.

the hand would have played out so differently if you had raised pre
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10-14-2009 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by eNots
never ever even think about not raising your premium hands on nl2. you see were it leads you too.

i bet the turn aprox 0.50 cent and c/c the river in this special case.

the hand would have played out so differently if you had raised pre
this
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10-14-2009 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerbiker
c/f or c/c (1/2 or 3/4 PSB)? the blocking bet gave me 3:1 which would have been ok.
c/f, there are too many 2pair and straight combos

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Originally Posted by pokerbiker
i have enough examples of people calling down 3 streets with middle pair and of course TPWK.
yeah but you need to look at board texture too, this board is super scary, what worse hands is villain calling a river bet with?

and don't limp/rr pre, it's too likely to fail and it's too transparent
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10-14-2009 , 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerbiker
this is interessting, i was thinking about overbetting turn to around 1usd; there are some 2pair / sd / FD out there. this would have given very bad odds for them to call.
You don't need to overbet the turn to deny drawing odds when heads up - a half pot bet will deny them the odds.

Any single pair is a small hand and with a small hand you want a small pot. So a half psb on the turn will deny your opponent the odds to draw, whilst losing you the minimum when he does draw out.

Unless of course you KNOW that your opponent is a drooler and will call oversized bets with bottom pair, in which case the larger the better but they are few and far between these days.
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