More and more I think this is a fold on the flop but conventional wisdom is to ship it.
In a readless situation like this I bet a fold is slightly more +EV but good luck getting yourself to fold an overpair here lol. In any case, calling flop is the worst line. Its ship/fold on the flop.
Tuck, but why do you think 21/15 guy has in his range hands like 23s, 97s. 21% is rather at+, 22+ kt+. and only soetimes some SCs.
Yes, but he called OTB and this was merily his raise-callrange.. With what you say his raise-callrange is even stronger. I agree 2s3s may be a bit optimistic though lol
Yes, but he called OTB and this was merily his raise-callrange.. With what you say his raise-callrange is even stronger. I agree 2s3s may be a bit optimistic though lol
if this then his VPIP would be much greater anyway!
BTW 'call PFR' is greatly valuable stat to make assuming his range easier.
if this then his VPIP would be much greater anyway!
His vpip prob is prob greater in position and people do call with sc's IP, its not like you can just dismiss the sc's because he might not play all of them. If there are less sc's in his range the sets become more dominant in which case we have even worse equity. I just dont believe a random tagfish plays KcTc or something this way postflop.
I just dont believe a random tagfish plays KcTc or something this way postflop.
definately agreed. thet's why i also fold to a raise here.
tagfish :P? do you suggest that TAG style is bad :P? or just guess that villain is fish imitating tag style, which you really can't know from the description in op
and BTW, do you think flat calling SCs IP is profitable at these stakes?
I am changing my opinion after reading TuckFard's reasoning, I play all my hands at NL25 and I think getting it in both at the flop and turn is standard play vs most villains at that stake.
But the lower we go in stakes, the more we have to respect aggression I guess. His range might contain some hands that we crush (TT, 88, etc..) and some that we are virtually flipping with, but probably not enough to give us 50%+ ev. But on the turn we cant fold, because we gave him a range consisting of a lot of combo and flush draws, and we are crushing that range.
If he bluffed, he'd probably want to show you how awesome he is and show his hand. If he does, make a note that he is capable of doing this and felt next time.
Last edited by Ranger_Trivette; 04-09-2010 at 09:39 AM.
tagfish :P? do you suggest that TAG style is bad :P?
LOL. I was wondering about this, but didn't want to ask and look stupid. His stats are pretty TAG. But, is he a fish cos he's playing 5nl? Or because of his post flop play? Or is he just a TAG?
definately agreed. thet's why i also fold to a raise here.
tagfish :P? do you suggest that TAG style is bad :P? or just guess that villain is fish imitating tag style, which you really can't know from the description in op
and BTW, do you think flat calling SCs IP is profitable at these stakes?
Most 'tags' at 5nl suck postflop (tag pre, fish post) which is offcourse more true for beginning players who usually play at 5nl. thats why I also think flatting sc's is proffitable IP at these stakes. They usually dont cbet enough OOP and play their hand way to face up, so there are more ways to win in that spot then against a competent player who will notice that you prob flat light to float or bet IP.
