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03-30-2010 , 09:43 PM

DocDevil

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Hi gang Villain is Indiana, never played him b4, soo no reads at all.
Match have been going pretty std, lots of raising/folding, this is the first 3bet pot I guess:
Wtf do I do on the river?? Can we call?? and what about turn?? Had the feeling he was betting 4 thin value, since my hand was pretty faced up.
Man I must confess, I was lost in this hand

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Hero (BTN/SB): t1635 M = 36.33
BB: t1365 M = 30.33

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with J

Hero raises to t75, BB raises to t225, Hero calls t150

Flop: (t450) 9

(2 players)
BB bets t270, Hero calls t270

Turn: (t990) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t990) Q

(2 players)
BB bets t390, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

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03-30-2010 , 09:51 PM

SoulAndBone

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What's your "fight plan" here? I'mean you're calling a 3bet pre with AJo, and you're paying his contibet.

Vs a regular opponent i would definitely go for bet/fold that turn, he will either call you or not, and even if he does , your fold is easier if he leads that river if not you can have a free card and avoid this suffering

Despite that that Q hits his range pretty hard. But it surprises me to see that you can call his 3-bet, his flop bet, and despite that you seem lost, because i'm sure you werent counting exclusively on that A or J pairing your hand.

As played fold to the River bet.

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03-30-2010 , 09:59 PM

DocDevil

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Originally Posted by SoulAndBone

Actually I was planing on calling any brick river card, but that Q wasn't exacly what I was looking for.

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03-30-2010 , 11:10 PM

BarryLyndon

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Originally Posted by DocDevil

Hero raises to t75, BB raises to t225, Hero calls t150

Flop: (t450) 9

(2 players)
BB bets t270, Hero calls t270

Turn: (t990) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t990) Q

(2 players)
BB bets t390, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Preflop is fine.

I think I fire 450 on the turn - he can't come over the top with anything you beat + could fold 44/A3/22/maybe 66. You also avoid a problematic river this way, because he can fire 7, 8, T, Q, K and it will be plausible and in his range.

As played, I like a fold.

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03-30-2010 , 11:14 PM

DocDevil

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Originally Posted by BarryLyndon

I agree with firing turn for the FE but don't rly see 44/A3/22/66 in his range.

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03-30-2010 , 11:44 PM

Indiana

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i want to wait to see what spamzor says before i say what i had ....prolly tell in the morning PST

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03-30-2010 , 11:45 PM

crimsonchin

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instajam pre

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03-31-2010 , 02:13 AM

bluemage55

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How many buttons have you raised? Indiana's 3betting range is relevant here, and some read on it would be nice.

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03-31-2010 , 07:17 AM

DocDevil

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Originally Posted by bluemage55

How many buttons have you raised? Indiana's 3betting range is relevant here, and some read on it would be nice.

I usually raise a pretty wide BTN range, as for Indi's 3bet FREq, I think this is the 2nd time he 3bet in 20 hands or so. But sorry, not many post-flop spots to get reads, most part of the match up to this point was played PF in a standar way.

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03-31-2010 , 07:29 AM

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JSpazz

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jam pre, probably call river

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03-31-2010 , 08:03 AM

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miniwiz

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I'm shipping pre.

River is cool spot.Don't really know how villain thinks but i think he is valuebetting 88 type hand here. Plus he has all the KK/AA,random 9's that checked the turn because they expected you to float that flop often. Only Q you could have is KQ i guess.

I'd snap shove.

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03-31-2010 , 08:08 AM

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Dont u guys think is little borderline to ship this PF with this stax sizes facing what looks like a narrow 3bet range??

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03-31-2010 , 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BarryLyndon

Uuuh, you really think he would 3bet 22, 44 or A3?

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03-31-2010 , 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DocDevil

Dont u guys think is little borderline to ship this PF with this stax sizes facing what looks like a narrow 3bet range??

Two 3bets in 10 buttons isn't exactly a narrow range, you'll have a decent amount of FE and you have blockers to AA/JJ/Ax

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03-31-2010 , 12:39 PM

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TGSM89

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ez shove pre

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03-31-2010 , 12:43 PM

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BarryLyndon

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Originally Posted by alexDJI

Uuuh, you really think he would 3bet 22, 44 or A3?

A small % of the time, depending on the flow of the match, he may try it.

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03-31-2010 , 01:06 PM

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i want to wait to see what spamzor says before i say what i had ....prolly tell in the morning PST

lol

i jam this pre vs most opponents

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03-31-2010 , 02:33 PM

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Indiana

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i am a little confused about the preflop shove comments

to be honest i usually 3bet pretty tight

ok this game was a "warm up" game for me for the 115s which i crushed last night so i was splashing around trying out some stuff and yes i was 3betting light here

So i had Q6o and should have shoved river, that was my fault.

FWIW i feel that Doc played his hand perfecto

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03-31-2010 , 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana

if you only 3-bet a value range stronger than AJ in your normal game that is v-exploitable
Yeah if you range is uber strong here then shoving is not good.

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03-31-2010 , 03:01 PM

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I think villain always has a Q here. Your hand does look face up and I don't think he would try and bluff you off A high.

I shove pre though

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03-31-2010 , 08:21 PM

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SoulAndBone

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Originally Posted by Indiana

So i had Q6o and should have shoved river, that was my fault.

Shove river ? I don't understand the logic of that sentence Indiana.

You think you're getting called by worse here?

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03-31-2010 , 08:50 PM

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Indiana

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I think I'm more likely to get called worse than I would by my 390 bet

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03-31-2010 , 09:43 PM

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Not to be captain obvious or anything, but...

You were just planning on giving up on the turn until the river brought a Q, correct?

I was thinking if you had air, you would be more likely to continue to barrel. After checking the turn, I thought you probably had some showdown value and/or missed an attempt at a turn check-raise.

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03-31-2010 , 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana

I think I'm more likely to get called worse than I would by my 390 bet

Another way of looking at it is, at least from a non-thinking player, an all in here is probably going to get called for more profit for hero than 390.

Barry

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04-01-2010 , 08:02 AM

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nathan

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i jam pre, calling is fine tho

river is a call you deff good here 22% of the time
hands he bets for value here bet the turn apart from KQ/AQ,some spazzys Qxs and maybe 88/77

edit: looking back he prob checks the turn with a wider range of value hands FH/9x/JJ+ but still a call

Last edited by nathan; 04-01-2010 at 08:10 AM.

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