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10-09-2008 , 12:30 AM

sejje

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Villain is 2p2 reg, solid winner. Villain can make good reads and is confident in them. Villain has a high cbet %.

Villain (SB): 1,590
Hero: 1,410

Pre-Flop: (30) 7

dealt to Hero (SB)
Villain raises to 60, Hero calls 40

Flop: (120) T

(2 Players)
Hero checks, Villain bets 75, Hero calls 75

Turn: (270) Q

(2 Players)
Hero checks, Villain bets 215

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10-09-2008 , 12:39 AM

kolotoure

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Even though villain is going to be betting this turn with a lot of hands that picked up outs I think we have to fold because playing any river oop isn't going to be easy

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10-09-2008 , 02:40 AM

-VINNY-

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Fold turn, yes it's great DB card but you're hoping he just shuts down on the turn with this hand. Preserve those chips here.

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10-09-2008 , 02:49 AM

tjimaa

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fold preflop I think..

and ezzz fold turn

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10-09-2008 , 04:57 AM

scutch

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Isn't the preflop raise borderline?

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10-09-2008 , 05:57 AM

Kalledrengen

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You left out blind lvls so I can't see if he is raising 2 or 3x bb. Either way I think you call too light out of posistion, especially considering villain is solid.

As played I fold turn always.

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10-09-2008 , 08:50 AM

sejje

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Originally Posted by Kalledrengen

You left out blind lvls so I can't see if he is raising 2 or 3x bb. Either way I think you call too light out of posistion, especially considering villain is solid.

As played I fold turn always.

The preflop pot size is listed as 30, therefore the blinds are 10/20.

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10-09-2008 , 08:51 AM

sejje

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Originally Posted by scutch

Isn't the preflop raise borderline?

We can't see villain's cards, so I'm not sure if his raise is borderline.

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10-09-2008 , 09:17 AM

Highbeem

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Originally Posted by sejje

We can't see villain's cards, so I'm not sure if his raise is borderline.

I think he read the hand wrong, like I did the first time. You are OOP but are SB. Strange converter. So I suspect you are OOP with T7o. I would fold this preflop. As played check-call flop, check-fold turn

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10-09-2008 , 09:48 AM

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jon_1van

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You are OOP but are SB

it seems to be converted fine

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10-09-2008 , 09:52 AM

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jon_1van

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I think folding preflop is best. Calling is not terrible if the villian has holes in his game (can't fold 1 pair, doesn't realize when you are "giving up"). But you say the villian is good so you may as well toss it.

Having said that, I play the flop the same. On the turn I'd realize that checking basically kills my hand because a decent villian will probably bet 75% or more of his range, and I won't be able to call. Given that, I bet out 180 on the turn, and fold to a raise.

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10-09-2008 , 11:25 AM

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scutch

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Originally Posted by Highbeem

Yep, it says Hero (SB). Also villain being in red threw me off. Call seems borderline then.

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10-09-2008 , 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jon_1van

Having said that, I play the flop the same. On the turn I'd realize that checking basically kills my hand because a decent villian will probably bet 75% or more of his range, and I won't be able to call.

that is exactly why i say check/call a pair of tens here. villain will bet all kinds of hands here. it's a risky play, and you are getting yourself into some murky situations, but i think a good villain is going bet a very wide range of hands, and i think you are ahead of that range.

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10-09-2008 , 12:06 PM

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think a good villain is going bet a very wide range of hands, and i think you are ahead of that range.

I agree with you here - I'm just not sure we can get to showdown after check/calling the turn.

Do we check/fold the river? Call another barrel? Bet out?....no river options seems good.

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10-09-2008 , 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jon_1van

I agree with you here - I'm just not sure we can get to showdown after check/calling the turn.

Do we check/fold the river? Call another barrel? Bet out?....no river options seems good.

yeah, it makes the river tough. i am most likely going to check the river. i think it's unlikely villain will triple barrel after getting called twice. so i think there is a decent chance we get to check this down. there is also the chance that villain WILL triple barrel garbage and make the bet small enough that we can call and give us even more chips. of course he could be triple barreling for value and taking our chips. but when you add it all up, i think it's +EV to call this turn, and then play the river.

i really don't like leading out on the river and turning my pair of tens into a bluff.

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10-09-2008 , 12:45 PM

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Vinetou

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Originally Posted by kolotoure

Even though villain is going to be betting this turn with a lot of hands that picked up outs I think we have to fold because playing any river oop isn't going to be easy

this. and fold preflop plz

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10-09-2008 , 06:26 PM

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LiarsDice

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I fold this hand preflop. You are against a good player who C-bets a lot and what is your initial strategy for playing either pair of 10s or 7s on a flop w/ obv high chance of at least one over card? Either kicker is crap if you do pair.

With that said, i'm surprised no one threw in the check-raise line on the flop. This is not a hand I want to see to showdown. As mentioned, a check/call on flop and check/fold on turn can also be used. I like to mix it up with the check-raise on flop though.

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10-09-2008 , 06:33 PM

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HokieGreg

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fold pre and fold turn

why do you guys seem to be calling wider oop when you are playing better players??? shouldn't it be the other way around???

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10-09-2008 , 06:44 PM

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sejje

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Originally Posted by Highbeem

I think he read the hand wrong, like I did the first time. You are OOP but are SB. Strange converter.

We appear to be OOP and big blind. If the conversion is wrong, it's because I screwed with it, as I'm actually villain in this hand. Same story as other hand, I was playing a friendly match and we had a discussion regarding this hand.

I agree with Hokie about folding preflop and stopping the wide calling OOP. That's very much something I avoid.

I also advocated a turn fold when discussing the hand. That's a pretty gross board to keep calling down, and villain also may have picked up an additional 4 outs if he had any previously. I basically hate calling three streets.

I fold preflop or the turn.

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10-09-2008 , 06:44 PM

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sejje

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Also, I absolutely did not write that read about myself. Kthx.

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10-10-2008 , 02:27 AM

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Austiger

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Fold PF, fold turn.

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