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03-27-2021 , 10:54 PM
Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 251.1 BB
Hero (SB): 113.34 BB
BB: 103.44 BB
UTG: 143.76 BB
MP: 93.24 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc Qh
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6 BB, 2 players) Th 2c 8d
Hero checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn : (14 BB, 2 players) 2h
Hero checks, BB bets 9.5 BB, Hero calls 9.5 BB

River : (33 BB, 2 players) 4s
Hero checks, BB bets 25.74 BB, Hero calls 25.74 BB

Cooler?
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03-27-2021 , 11:25 PM
I just think he’s so polar not value betting JT, maybe not even QT, KT? AT??

Never ace hi...

And all the straight draws missed too.... idk how can I fold?
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03-27-2021 , 11:46 PM
Um, do you have a solver? Any training program for gto play? That was not a cooler, bad call.
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03-28-2021 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Um, do you have a solver? Any training program for gto play? That was not a cooler, bad call.


What do u think his value range is? And what about his bluffs? I think his ratio could be way too heavy towards bluffs
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03-28-2021 , 12:29 AM
Do you have reads on the villain? There is more yes we have it than bluffs at 25nl. it is still bad play. When pot is small, we bluff. We lose more when pot is over 25bb, someone has something (trust me, how many hands do you have in database for 25nl?)

Even if he has bluffs, your bluff is second best. Fold.
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03-28-2021 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Do you have reads on the villain? There is more yes we have it than bluffs at 25nl. it is still bad play. When pot is small, we bluff. We lose more when pot is over 25bb, someone has something (trust me, how many hands do you have in database for 25nl?)

Even if he has bluffs, your bluff is second best. Fold.


50z
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03-28-2021 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
50z
50Z is not different than 25z. I play both on ignition. if you are just lookin for verification that you are right, well have at it.
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03-28-2021 , 01:11 AM
Do you know what a cooler is OP?
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
50Z is not different than 25z. I play both on ignition. if you are just lookin for verification that you are right, well have at it.
This is 50z on ACR, which is probably tougher than 500z on ignition
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03-28-2021 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Do you know what a cooler is OP?This is 50z on ACR, which is probably tougher than 500z on ignition
Not really.

Theory works no matter what site you play on. Rake and toughness is often an excuse (yes, I can swim with the fishes, or play the tougher zone games, but if it works from 5nl to 100nl, all of which I have played, it works )
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03-28-2021 , 02:39 AM
The problem I have is we are blocking too many of the bluffs we want him to have like QJ, Q9 and FDs to name a few.
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03-28-2021 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
The problem I have is we are blocking too many of the bluffs we want him to have like QJ, Q9 and FDs to name a few.


J9, 97, 96, 76, J7
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03-28-2021 , 02:53 AM
I mean maybe it’s a fold but what’s his value range? Because there’s a good amount of bluff candidates
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03-28-2021 , 03:20 AM
This is a very easy fold for obvious reasons.
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03-28-2021 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
I mean maybe it’s a fold but what’s his value range? Because there’s a good amount of bluff candidates
A2s I guess idk I have a feeling you caught his hand in the cookie jar as they used to say in the days of Shakespeare.

NH
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03-28-2021 , 04:35 AM
surely you have a bunch of 8x
then weaker pairs
then A highs
you want to call down everything in your range?
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03-28-2021 , 06:11 AM
If you don't beat a ton of villains bluffs with your specific hand, you don't want to bluff catch. Yes, he can have a number of missed draws but we don't need to check call down kq high for the reason ion notes.

Seems like you were tilting here and just decided he had air, without thinking it through. Been there and done that thousands of hands.
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03-28-2021 , 06:40 AM
fold turn

river i don't think is great but could easily be justified as an exploit
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03-28-2021 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Not really.



Theory works no matter what site you play on. Rake and toughness is often an excuse (yes, I can swim with the fishes, or play the tougher zone games, but if it works from 5nl to 100nl, all of which I have played, it works )
Yes, really

Ask anyone who's played both, and they'll tell you the same thing
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03-28-2021 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Spud Gun
If you don't beat a ton of villains bluffs with your specific hand, you don't want to bluff catch. Yes, he can have a number of missed draws but we don't need to check call down kq high for the reason ion notes.

Seems like you were tilting here and just decided he had air, without thinking it through. Been there and done that thousands of hands.


What bluff am I losing to?
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03-28-2021 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
What bluff am I losing to?
Axhh
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03-28-2021 , 11:42 AM
He's not losing to any bluffs if villain has at least 2 neurons, my issue with it is i feel its too loose on earlier streets and river blockers are kinda bad.

But with an exploitative read this hand is completely normal
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03-28-2021 , 11:57 AM
I think you want to be careful with this line. Effectively, you are bluff catching on 3 streets with K high. He could easily be betting the flop with suited Aces with bdfd, and then continue on turn and river with those Axhh. So, you're behind some credible bluffs, which isn't great for a bluff catcher. Dunno if this type of bluff is something you'd see in your player pool.

Villain could just be bluffing with his straight draws, in which case you're ahead of his bluffs, but you block some of those. However, I feel like you will have a huge amount of potential bluff catchers in this case (basically any Ax, which you should have just about all suited and offsuit versions of+any small to mid pp+any 8x+low Tx), and you cannot call all of them without being hugely exploitable. If you're calling with all of your hands which beat villain's bluff range (assuming it is only straight draws, so at best Q high), he can value bet 33 for 3 streets, maybe even some Ax hands. On top of that, your specific combo of KQo is one of the worst to call. You block Q high straight draws, as well as backdoor clubs and heart FD. Of all KQ to bluff catch with, KQss is the best, and any with a heart (esp. Qh) isn't quite so great, as the Qh and Jh are the cards you most want villain to have.

Then, the next consideration is villain's value range, which isn't quite well defined. I think this is a good aspect of your reasoning here. I think T8s, and maybe T8o as well. 88 and 22 as well, but that's only 4 combos. T2s is credible, but that's only 2 combos. Then, there may be a few 2x in his range which he raised flop with. Maybe A2s (even A2o), maybe also 32s, 42s, 52s, 62s. There aren't many combos of those, and I imagine most villains won't be calling those pre or raising flop with them, so I'd heavily discount those. That leaves a decent amount of Tx. I'd imagine he's calling all of those offsuit versions down to T9o pre. Can't see him going for 3 streets of value with less than KT, but probably not less than AT. So, I feel like when bluff catching, you would prefer to have a hand which blocks some value bets (e.g. 8x blocking 2 pairs, Ax blocking AT and A2) and/or unblocks some bluffs (you don't want a h, don't want in this order 9>J>Q>7>6).

Overall, I feel like you will have so many better bluff catching hands in your range that even if villain's range is too bluff heavy, your calling range will be too wide. Basically, all your pp 33-77 (maybe even 99), all your Ax which don't have a heart, then all your Ax which have one heart, then all your KQ which don't have a heart, then all your KhQx (not heart for the queen). Effectively, I think you'll be looking at having over 100 better calling combos here.

Overall, I like the idea of calling down light when villain is repping such a small value range and could have such a wide variety of hands which might want to bluff, esp otr, but I feel like you will have so many better hands to call with. You may have got it right this time (or not), but I don't think this will be a profitable long term play. Especially if villains at the table made notes about this hand.
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03-28-2021 , 12:09 PM
I dont think its awful or anything just a little too thin without reads imo.
Reasons being:
1. Some weaker players might actually bluff Ax here
2. Better players should be capable of valuebetting JT+ here

I'm folding turn. Might even consider folding flop against that size. I believe that a lot of people are very unbalanced here and will stab small and bet larger with draws & madehands
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03-28-2021 , 01:55 PM
I was planning to donk on a turned A or rivered A
Nice to have bluffs in that spot
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03-28-2021 , 01:58 PM
you have a **** ton of draws for that, also KQ would have SDV there and itd be a clear check
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