4th hand of the match.

Action so far:

1st Hand: I open fold T3o from the button

2nd Hand: I get an upgrade to T4o check gratefully after villain limps. Flop comes 739ss, I check and Villain instastabs for 20t. I fold.

3rd Hand: I 3x J6s, Villain calls, Flop comes 82T, I cbet 1/2 Pot with a flushdraw, Villain instafolds.

4th:

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t1530)
SB (t1470)

Hero's M: 51.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, J
SB bets t30, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) 4, Q, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t60, Hero calls t60

Turn: (t200) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t150, Hero folds

Total pot: t200



I think I played this hand totally weak, and wonder whether it would be better to c/r/fold or c/r/shove flop? On turn I def. don´t want to call.

lol wtf.
c/c flop is fine. now c/c turn.

Why?

With all due respect to OP, when I see these posts that begin with some waxing poet of the match thus far, I know there is going to be something entirely too emotional about the post. So when you start to discuss your upgrade from 103o to 104o and the gratefulness you felt by checking it, it makes me reminisce back to around 2006 when my emotions interfered with my game / decisions in a major way about 20 minutes into a session.

That's the first issue I have with this post.

The second, which I think directly correleates to the first, is the logic of your hand. You c/c the flop - good. Now, on the turn, what do you think villain has? What's his range? Forget about the bet for a minute - what is villain doing here? If you c/c this, which you should, what is your plan on certain rivers? You're probably going to have to make some sort of assumption with this hand - he missed a draw, he's value betting QT weak, he really does have a strong hand, something. But, that's just the nature of HU.

It's a tough spot, don't get me wrong, but don't just go on a feeling that QJ is no good here because it's QJ and he barelled twice. He could have weaker Qs in his range and be betting them because he thinks he has the best hand, right? He could have JT. Even KT.

@Punchdancer and nl2000: I don't see why villain would 2ndbarrel anything I have beat. Maybe I'm wrong. If I call turn, what's your plan for river? c/c again? I feel like getting valuetowned by a lot of better hands with close to no info about the opponent.

@BarryLondon: My introduction serves purely for ironic purposes. Also I never experienced the emotional problems you described about yourself, so maybe I don't really get what you mean. I think I would have mucked that T4 vs a PF raise, "gratefully" too.

Reg. the hand, I know he could have JK and also QT but I don't necessarily expect unknown to go barrel since I'm not very experienced with unknown on this level.

My original plan was to call a standard c-bet and maybe valuebet on the river vs a holding that could have picked a draw.

What do you think about betting turn? Usually I only do this when the board is a little more wet.

hahahahah. This might be the funniest thread ever. He has to have me beat on the turn here. lol. Sorry, I am not one to make fun of newbies but holy ****.

50's there are so ridiculously rigged you might aswell fold but anyone from ftp/stars is gonna say c/c turn like they should obv.

OP: Great! You posted a hand that allows you to identify a significant error for you, which is what you want when you're looking for strategy advice. Standard is by far to c/c turn: There are plenty of worse Qx, 9x, draws, and air in his range. Folding here is really weak, just think about how often you have a stronger hand in this spot! It's pretty rare.

I'm nowhere near playing 50's but it seems pretty clear you are being way too cautious. His range is alot wider then you think

check/call, check/folding is not only super weak and losing value, but super exploitive as well and it doesn't take a great reg to figure out you fold a lot to 2barrells

anyone ch-raise flop, lead turn?

Don't like it w/o any reads. We blow up the pot OOP and iso a stronger range. We're fairly deep and I don't see much merrit to it at this stage.

That's cool, I'll barrel you with QT all day long expecting to get calls from all sorts of stuff for value, and then also get you to fold QJ 100% of the time, sweet! Not to mention the added benefit of being able to double barrel JT without having to worry about the river.

See what I mean?

Barry

This is correct. Villain could donk any pair on that flop if hes unknown. i love flating flop and flating/raising/getin it in on this turn or valuebeting river 100% of the time.
Allso its early on. make it 90 preflop ur hand play wery well postf and its good spot to get some reads.

wtf?

OP your play there is terrible. This is waaaaaaaaaaay way way to tight. You cannot wait for a set in HUSNGs you have to play your good hands such as TPJK.
In short, don't look for monsters under the bed if he has you beat then its a cooler, think how many hands he has that you are ahead of. Sure he can have AA but he could have a draw , worse Q, MP, hands like TT 77 , even ace high...

PS: My advice for you is to move down a level or two and get familiar with the game

This is a good point, a reg paying attention will definetly realize ur folding ur entire range to 2nd barrels given this turn card.

I'd 3bet it pre. And now I'm thinking of plenty of things but not folding, your hand is way too strong.

yup. Good luck getting free cards or floating the entire match.

Given this post, with all due respect, you should probably move down a few levels. Then play a few hundred HUs.

You may think we are being harsh, but our harshness is entirely justified and set out to help.

This is amazing, I played a 500-1000 games on 10s, 20s, and 30s respectively with a winrate over 55.

Believing that I fold in this spot 100% because I do it readless here with no info and saying that I am exploitable thus is of course not the right thought.

I don't like to play this hand passively without reads in a very big pot at the beginning of the match. My opponents range is polarized into air and better hands most of the time. So if you guys say "they barrel anything here all the time" on the 50s that's fine and now I know calling might be the right line.


What can we do on an Ace, King or Jack River? Blockbet/fold? All other rivers check/call? This would be standard?

This does not follow.

Folding here is a very big leak at any level. At the low limits opposition is so bad that you can suffer from really massive leaks and still win. That fades as you move up and edges get smaller.

I'd probably donkbet fairly large/call on J river. A/K depends on sizing/timing suit. Those are really the only tough rivers imo and i'd be check deciding, leaning toward calling given it's so early. And K river is alot worse than A river.

With more info about villains play IP and his openingrange from the button I would probably play the hand differently.

That's not a response to my suggestion that your "i am a winner over 500 games, therefore i can't be massively wrong" logic is bad.