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08-09-2016 , 08:05 AM
Missread the situation. 3bet was mistake preflop. only got 4 hands on villain.
No reg as I only have 4 hands on villain and I've been playing 50NLz for a while now.

I dont feel I have the foldequity OTF. I guess XCalling is fine but problem is that villain will move me of my hand here so often as I underrep my hand.
I have a lot of better hands here to XC with.

XF is probably best OTF, I have no backdoors and I dont feel any turn cards except 5/3 is good for me.



    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $163.28 (326.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $80.72 (161.4 bb)
    UTG: $100.56 (201.1 bb)
    MP: $50 (100 bb)
    CO: $37.60 (75.2 bb)
    BTN: $53.52 (107 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 3
    3 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $5, BTN calls $3.50

    Flop: ($10.25) 3 Q T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $5.06, Hero calls $5.06

    Turn: ($20.37) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $8, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $20.37 pot ($1.02 rake)
    Final Board: 3 Q T T
    Hero mucked 5 3 and lost (-$10.06 net)
    BTN mucked and won $19.35 ($9.29 net)
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    08-09-2016 , 08:12 AM
    Probably ok if you are c/c good stuff as well which you should be.

    I'm not sure I like preflop though
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    08-09-2016 , 08:15 AM
    Nice hand to 3bet pre with. Dont see how its a big mistake.

    I feel like ch/c is the worse here. Kinda calling hoping he goes to SD w/ his AJ,KJ combos which will rarely happen.

    Cbetting has its merits. We can make him fold 22-99 and hands like A9 which have good equity vs. our hand. Also we have decent implied odds when a 3 or a 5 hits ott.

    Still hand has low equity/playibility. If 10 was a diamond, I would cbet. Here i feel like ch/folding is best.
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    08-09-2016 , 08:18 AM
    I would really like to know what your thought process is in these spots.

    Do you try to fold out hands like 22-99 or barrel of and rep the top of your range here?

    Thanks!
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    08-09-2016 , 08:20 AM
    Thank you both for very good comments!!

    ChipsNcrisps, I aggree that a diamond would change the playibility of the hand
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    08-09-2016 , 08:25 AM
    I would certainly not barrel of with 53 here. KJ,AK way better contestants as they have better equity vs. his range and we block V's best Qx.

    If the 10 was a diamond as mentioned, I would be fine with Cbetting and ch/ca (we will have to fold less turn cards and can barrel more)

    This is also pretty low in our range apart from a couple of air combos [67s..] we have so x/f looks good.

    I feel like ch/c these combos is going to weaken our ch/c range big time and resulting in getting barreled of heavily on later streets.
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    08-09-2016 , 08:25 AM
    Imo villains range >> our range on this flop so we want to be cbetting quite a low % of the time.

    I don't see a problem with putting this hand into the section of our range which c/c the flop and c/f the turn unimproved.

    To make this ok though we need to have good hands here.
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    08-09-2016 , 08:28 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CCM
    Imo villains range >> our range on this flop so we want to be cbetting quite a low % of the time.

    I don't see a problem with putting this hand into the section of our range which c/c the flop and c/f the turn unimproved.

    To make this ok though we need to have good hands here.

    Which good hands would you choose to use? KQ/AQ?
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    08-09-2016 , 08:34 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MEV
    Which good hands would you choose to use? KQ/AQ?
    They work, TT works AA works. I don't really know I'm not some GTO wizard unfortunately. I just feel that if you cbet 65% or something here you are going to be pretty exploitable to floating or villain being aggressive against your flop checking range.

    I've just read that you don't think villain is a reg though which may change things a bit.
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    08-09-2016 , 08:38 AM
    Tx, AA, weak Qx (I have some suited Qx in my 3bet range BTN v BB).

    Just out of curiosity CCM, what stakes do you play?
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    08-09-2016 , 08:45 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
    Tx, AA, weak Qx (I have some suited Qx in my 3bet range BTN v BB).

    Just out of curiosity CCM, what stakes do you play?
    Used to play 100nl-400nl 3 years ago but jumped ship to get a real job. At the moment I just rec 25nl-50nl from time to time too much real life stuff going on. I'm hoping to just back in to playing more at some time later this year.

    So yeah you are welcome to take my advice with a pinch of salt as I might be a little out of touch but I do try and keep up with some theory.
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    08-09-2016 , 08:52 AM
    Fair enough, all is good
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    08-09-2016 , 09:06 AM
    Thank you CCM!

    Thank you ChipsNcrisps!
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