bb - 38/20 over <40 hands, likely a passive rec player judging by stats and stack size
utg/co - randoms with small sample sizes

so river sucks kinda badly - what do we do with <2/3psb behind?

Looks like a spot where the men go for value.....the boys check for a cheap showdown.....i think your missing value by not betting here in the long run....besides if you check and villan has straight he bets anyway and no way we can check fold here.
On a side note....not sure donking out into three players is great here.....your line screams strength, anythinking villan would recognise this, in my opinin....id be interested in others views on donking out.

Do ''men'' also think about what worse hands call them? Or do they just beat their chest, scream ''I AM MEN'' and shove river cause herpderp they are men?

I don't see how shoving can get called by worse with bottom set, maybe if we had 55, sure, we can then pretend worse sets call.

Donking is obv fine and it's also obvious villain isn't exactly a thinking player, so why worry about that?

Donking against 1 fish is fine.....this was multiway on the flop with a utg opener who is pretty likely to c-bet here.
The fact that you cite the villan as a non-thinking player in your analysis of the donk bet....but then by the river he suddenly becomes bright enough to not call off aq...random two pairs....even weird crap like 99 tt jj.

on a side note does all of my post have to be based on pure analysing a hand now? Am I not allowed to make stupid refrences to poker commentators?

I'm sure we can both agree that there is a huge difference between villain calling flop + turn with the hands you mentioned, and villain calling river on 4 to a straight board.

Doesn't take much to realize your JJ or AQ suddenly doesn't beat much if anything anymore on this river, this is not the case on flop and turn.

Think shoving is fine here. He will call with 2pair and maybe even TP. Saw guys showing up with AK here lol.

You either have to c/f or jam. Is his WTSD very high about that small sample?

Because I'm never folding here, I just jam.

I would say this is actually a perfect example of where we should be mergeing to extract max value.....the point here is we can't fold to a villan shove here, especially a fishy villan....he is bound to shove anything that beats us....he is also likely to check behind everything we beat.....if we bet here we can get villan to make a decision with his marginal hand, if he folds fine....he might call worse.....he deffintly calls better, but he bets better anyway, and unless you think check folding the river here is good??? Which in my eyes would be really terra bad against this villan...then all we can do by checking is lose value......if your advocating a check call....i kind of get that...let vilan stab with some random crap as a bluff, but I don't think villan has many bluffs left in this spot.
I hope this makes sense...and I hope I haven't butchered the merge concept but from what I understand this is a pretty decent example of where its absolutly optimal to merge and extract from a fish.

What 2 pair can the villain have?

Must say I dont like the donk. I think what ever we do looks like strength so i just hope the opener bets, maybe gets a call and then Im going for a check/raise. It kinda sucks that we flop a set and theres so many cards stop our action and any raise or lead just looks so strong.

because villan is bb and can take a 4way flop I think its perfectly reasonable for stuff like 56suited to have flatter out the bb.....lots of little connectors made 2 pair here.

Donking best line by far here. If we check then we cant c/r because then we blow the BB fish out and have an obvious hand vs UTG (who I presume is a reg).

He can def have 2 pair since he completed the BB but I think 45 has to raise earlier, so its only really 56s/46s, and 46s I think folds the turn. He has a fair number of 3s in his range. He really cant have KK+ and Im not sure he floats the flop with AQ so you are hoping to get called by either 56 or like 77-JJ. Seems ambitious. I think some fish would call it off with 56 but he has to be a particular type of whale to station off 88 here so I dont think jamming is good.

That said, I dont like c/fing either. I might bet like $5 in the knowledge that hes not going to turn a pair into a bluff vs that sizing, but isnt folding any pair to that sizing. Or c/c a small bet but c/f to a jam.

I think you guys are thinking a level to high. He is running 38/20, even with small sample size that smells fishy.

Question is, wich 2pair can he not have? He's in the big blind and has to pay 1$ more, so tell me some hands fish is folding here.

If you see many 4 in his range, there are definatly 2pair in his range.

I'm thinking I like making a small valuebet. I think an allin isn't going to get called all that wide since the 4 to a straight is scary for him as well, but I can see him sigh-calling enough PPs, AQ, etc. to make something like $10-12 okay.

Would you raise JTs here? ATo?

ups wrong thread lol.

Pre is questionable but given that BB is very likely to call(and not 3bet) then it can't be that bad i guess.

Post flop i like how you played it, now just put villain all in and expect to be called by one and two pair hands a lot of time which would likey check back the river if we let them.

If you had a read that villain was the type of fish that likes to bluff then i think c/c becomes a better play here as they will probably have a ton of Ax hands

shipp

ok thanks guys. i think it's a clear ship too for reasons many people have alluded to so far. cheers for the input.