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06-13-2008 , 02:02 PM
Ok so i played this hand a little diff than usual and i already have my opinion on what went on. So here is my hand that i played last night. Id love to hear everyones opinions on what should have gone down. I dont usually play this hand pflop this way but wanted to try somethin diff. So let me know what you think of that play and my play the rest of the way. I also left the river play in there because i want to know about my attempt to "block" bet it. Is this play to advanced for this limit?, was i using it incorrectly?, im new to the move so any advice will help. Thx


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP1: $73.50
MP2: $31.05
CO: $25.70
BTN: $61.90
Hero (SB): $56.60
BB: $47.50
UTG: $42.30
UTG+1: $56.60

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K A
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2, MP1 calls $2, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.00) K Q 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BB folds, MP1 calls $5.50

Turn: ($19.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($39.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, MP1 raises to $55.50 all in, Hero folds
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06-13-2008 , 02:24 PM
raise to 3 pre, bet at least 6 on this flop, bet 12~ on turn, river check/call his allin, but blocking bet is also fine, i would fold only if i had clear read he limp/call utg with KQ
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06-13-2008 , 02:35 PM
turn is either a CRAI or a fold, and I think both are fine plays. Calling is not good.

Riverplay is fine.
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06-13-2008 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FlushThunder
raise to 3 pre, bet at least 6 on this flop, bet 12~ on turn, river check/call his allin, but blocking bet is also fine, i would fold only if i had clear read he limp/call utg with KQ
What do you think he is betting on the river that we beat at this point?
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06-13-2008 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
turn is either a CRAI or a fold, and I think both are fine plays. Calling is not good.

Riverplay is fine.
I think ck/call is good, you have a redraw to the nuts.
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06-13-2008 , 11:50 PM
Stats?
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06-14-2008 , 04:39 AM
I didnt have the stats. Was in the airport just playin for a few min and this hand happened.
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06-14-2008 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
turn is either a CRAI or a fold, and I think both are fine plays. Calling is not good.

Riverplay is fine.
I actually like a call on the turn. We have three main scenarios:

1) He's trying to take the pot away because we've taken the classic line of raise PF, bet flop, check turn. He's frequently got a mid-PP or something here, so we're happy letting him draw to 2 outs.

2) He's valuebetting something like KJ. CRAI might be better, but again he's dead to only a few outs so we're not fussed.

3) He's got 2pair, a flush, or a set. Now fold < call <<< CRAI. Calling is bad but not horrible.

I think CRAI generally turns our hand into an awful bluff, and we've got way too much equity to fold. Calling leads to some tough river decisions, but that's poker.
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06-14-2008 , 06:52 AM
As regards play on all streets, I like a bigger raise PF and a bigger flop bet, but it's not a huge deal. Turn I think is ok.

I don't hate the blocking bet but I think it's a little pointless. I strongly believe that your average unknown at 50NL very seldom bluffs the river (maybe because of all the stations), so I think check/calling a small bet, check/folding to pot or more is best.
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06-14-2008 , 08:03 AM
Against an unknown I think checking the turn is a huge mistake
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06-14-2008 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by beakachu
I actually like a call on the turn. We have three main scenarios:

1) He's trying to take the pot away because we've taken the classic line of raise PF, bet flop, check turn. He's frequently got a mid-PP or something here, so we're happy letting him draw to 2 outs.

2) He's valuebetting something like KJ. CRAI might be better, but again he's dead to only a few outs so we're not fussed.

3) He's got 2pair, a flush, or a set. Now fold < call <<< CRAI. Calling is bad but not horrible.

I think CRAI generally turns our hand into an awful bluff, and we've got way too much equity to fold. Calling leads to some tough river decisions, but that's poker.
+1, very well put.
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06-14-2008 , 11:15 AM
PF raise is too small, you're completely OOP and should want to play this hand HU with a better SPR.

Bet bigger on the flop, you are very likely to have the best hand right now on a rather drawy board. Having also the BD NFD adds some equity to your holding.

Though the turn card might have completed a flush draw, it's still pretty likely that you are ahead, mainly because you have the Ah and the Kh is on the board. Therefore there aren't too many likely 2 hearts combinations left except for JhTh, QhJh (depending on the player he could he easily have raised with those on the flop). Furthermore the SCs 8h7h, 7h6h are also not possible.
I'd therefore prefer a bet on the turn to get value from hands like KJ (maybe Jh), KT(h), QhX.

River is actually a pretty decent card for us as it makes 44 a lot less likely for him. Your blocking bet is bad because it's too small to block and rather induces a raise by villain. If you want to show down your hand then c/c is better here imo.
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