Villain is a 34/14/2.6 in 104 hands.
-he limps a lot.
-makes sometimes a burst of aggressiveness, haven't seen a showdown of that, everyone folds.(checks, calls or limps and then he Raises all in or raises big)

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

saw flop

MP ($50)
Hero (CO) ($51.45)
Button ($52.60)
Villain (SB) ($34)
BB ($80.70)
UTG ($52.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, 8
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, Villain calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 8, 5, 5 (3 players)
Villain checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3, Villain calls $3, 1 fold

Turn: ($10.50) J (2 players)
Villain bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($16.50) 10 (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $10, Villain raises to $26.50 (All-In), Hero ?

It doesn't makes sense.
I mean every-time they shove is the nuts.
What to do here?

Thanks in advance.

I don't know about calling river. I totally understand where you are coming from when you say they always have the nuts when they shove river.

Usually they have 5x/88/85/JJ/TT/97 and not many players overplay AJ on boards like this by being the aggressor but it is possible. it's also possible he plays QQ-AA like this and occasionally, a really crazy bluff with some busted draw he turned or w/e.

I think it's close but getting ~3:1 we need 25% against some spaz player with a solid 2p, it is hard. if the board wasn't paired it would make things a lot easier, all we beat is bluffs and Jx that went nuts.

Look at the width of his value range in terms of combo's and see if you can come up with a range of value hands and bluffs, in that the value hands make up 75% of his range or less, then you can consider calling.

Personally, I make a sick fold (for uNL regs )


edit : and i raise turn for value

Raise turn

I feel those small bets on turn are exactly an invitation to get raised.
One of the trends of fishes in 50nl.(They want you to raise)

We also want to raise

Yeah, they do this crap sometimes at lower limits too. I don't know if this is right, but I think I'd have checked the river. Something about that turn bet makes my spidey sense go off. I mean, we have this board crushed other than the 5s. What could he have here? Like you said, it just doesn't make sense. I'd honestly feel more comfortable if the turn had been a brick for some reason.

This is probably wrong and we probably should bet this river for value, but man that turn bet... It just doesn't make sense if we're ahead and it feels wrong. It's like the second some draws became possible he decided to stop slowplaying his monster.

I rarely say this unless I think a post is really obviously bad but you are just wrong. We should be raising this turn and there is no real argument against it. Sorry.

Why? What is worse that you believe will bet the turn and then call and why? OP hit this board hard by the turn. There's very few good hands villain can have that hit due to OP's blockers and the pair on the board, yet here he is firing out after calling the flop. I think there's something strange going on and would like to hear why you believe otherwise - and I mean that genuinely because I love to hear what others have to say. Not trying to be condescending at all.

This looks like a classic fish way to play flopped trips or better. I fold river.

I see a bluff-raise ott if you've seen villain pull off the same call-dbet line a few times and you're weaker than you are, but what hands are you getting value from by raising ott that play this way?

Fish donking after a real dry flop and turn like this = danger, they'll do it sometimes if they're drawing to try to induce a call and see a cheap river, but the only hand your valuetowning is AJ, or KJ or QJ possibly depending on how much of a maniac he is, QQ+ doesn't do this. otr it's vom and fold, fish just check-raised you like a pro.

Call turn, and check behind river and make a note on him. As you played it you should def fold.
I don't mind the value bet on river, but when you say that this villain is capable of c/shoving a lot i would rather just c behind.

raise turn 4 vaule. if we are confused by his small donk on the turn, raise the turn for vaule and take all your vaule off villian then and there,and as bad as it may seem if villan calls the rasie on turn, and then chks river to us i would chk river back fwiw. but that may be results orientated thinking. im confused

i mean i honestly think that villian can defintely be bad enough from wat u described in op, that he logically could get to the turn with aj kj qj any 2 spades, 67, 69.

Is this really a fold? I would call against a loose player with "bursts of aggressiveness" (Maybe thats the reason I am a bad player?). We underrepped our hand on the turn so he might think that we never have trips or better here. After our bet on the river, we only have to pay 16,5$ for an 53$ pot. We still beat some Jx,Tx and missed draws.

i'd bet half pot OTR
and fold to raise

don't raise turn, bet river smaller

why do you not raise turn?

You have the board crushed except vs 5x hand which crush you. Not that much scary river cards. You would be valueraising vs pretty narrow range when his range is heavily geared toward either 5x, bluff or some real weird Jx hand that floated flop with pure air.

Now albeit raise isn't neccessarily worst idea in the world but how many KJ/AJ/QJ you expect villain to float on flop?

Because he read the hand history and saw that villain shoved river. I really think turn is an obvious raise/fold for value, if we flat and he leads river small too what then? We just call with top2 and see his 8x / Jx / draw which would quite happily have called off way more.

lol

my man

Lol at 8x calling raise on turn And lol at there being lots of Jx floats on flop.

Only hand type you are really targeting with turn raise is 76. There just ain't that much other draws he would be having on that flop.

"Villain is a 34/14/2.6 in 104 hands.
-he limps a lot. "

He is gonna call so so wide. All his 76 / turned FD. I have doubts about him folding good 8x too and if he does have Jx for whatever reason we can make so much more dolla. The hands he folds we don't get any value from on the river anyway. Maybe im just way wrong since loads of people disagree with raise turn, but I am just so surprised by that :z

i like raising turn but I can see why calling is good too

I suppose it really depends on game flo/ image for me