I would like your thoughts on this hand. Villain was passive and a bit loose preflop, especially OOP (for some reason).
Preflop I raise for value.
On the flop I bet for value and to charge draws, overs and I expect him to call with K3, A3, float with overs (at least Ax) and with draws, like clubs and 65.
On the turn I don't think much changes, besides K3, K3 beating me now, but most of his range is still draws and Ax I thought, so I bet again to charge those.
On the river after he checked I assumed my hand was good and I might get value from Ax here. Although he might play pocket pairs this way as well. After he raises I have to fold, knowing he's passive, right?

FT $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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SB: $50.10
Hero (BTN/BB): $52.90

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/BB with 5 5
Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.25

Flop: ($2.50) 4 4 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, SB calls $2

Turn: ($6.50) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.00, SB calls $5

River: ($16.50) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.00, SB raises to $25, Hero ??

yeah fold river. rest is cool

easy muck played it fine maybe river is a mcuck because most ppl wont call Ahigh twice

if the board came 9on the turn and 3 on the river i would be more inclined to bet.

Logically this is inconsistent.

If you don't believe Ace high will call a another barrel then you shouldn't be betting the river. Yet, you say "played it fine"



Or am I misunderstanding?

I don't think there's any reason to bet the river, really.

I doubt you get 3 streets of value out of ace high, you probably don't get pockets 66+ to fold, draws that missed obviously aren't going to call, you have quite a bit of showdown value, and betting just opens up the possibility of a raise, bluff or value.

Check behind.

Agree with fnx though. If the board double-paired on the river rather than the turn, then I think it's possible to get 3 streets of value out of a nut flush draw, and maybe some other random aces.

As played, folding seems pretty obvious.

In my experience people call with A high here a lot.

said what i was thinking

Really? When I was at NL50 I didn't see too many A-high call-downs.

I agree no reason to bet this river. Only getting called/raised by hands that beat you.

I see Ace high call river bets all the time.

Just generally not when I've bet strong on all 3 streets.

Ace high calls the river a lot if you check the turn, and may call turn and river if you check the flop, I just don't think you get 3 streets of value out of them most of the time.

And there are quite a few hands that beat you that will raise for value on the river (especially if villain is prone to slowplay TT+ prefop, and overvalue a single pair of 9s or better), lots more that *may* choose to bluff-raise (although to be honest, given the description of villain, I wouldn't expect to see many bluffs here), and very very few hands that you beat that can call a bet. Ace high is about it, and obviously we disagree about how often Ace high is calling all 3 streets.

The risk of getting raised off your marginal hand that still has a fair amount of showdown value far outweighs any slight amount of value you *might* be able to get out of an ace.

In addition, if you check behind, you get to see how he played whatever it is he had. Which, depending on what it is, can be worth far more than $8.

i messed up with my english there. just read nixon he sums it up great
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Why are you betting so small on the river if you are expecting Ace high to call. IMO ace high is calling as much if not more for a $15 bet than an $8 bet. Because the only thing he can beat is a bluff, which you are not likely to be doing for half pot. Plus you are opening yourself up to river check/raise bluffs a lot more with that pussy bet.

I agree with this 100%. A high calls only happen if the turn is checked, never on 3 streets. I check behind on the river.

I'm a little inclined to call the river. Very drawy and i've seen missed draws pull this move on the river thinking that only TT+ will call. I just rarely see someone c/c the F/T/R. Normally it's C/C F/T then lead River to ensure value.

I learned something, ty.

the really interesting thing about this hand is taht it seems like the pefect spot for villain to turn his A hi or whtever into a bluff, forcing you to fold your PP you tried to value town him with. does he really ever take this line with 66+? also your 1/2 pot river bet really looks like a weakish hand going for value i cant really ever see you having a boat here......given that its 50nl and villain was passive and loose i probably still fold here because he will show up with 37s or whatever all day, but its something to think about.