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12-29-2009 , 02:42 PM

Andrex Puppy

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,625

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $211.55
Hero (BTN/SB): $53.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with A

Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7.00) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

River: ($17.00) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10

villain is running me over and is up about 2 buyins
is the river so bad that i can check behind
i havent got him dont as tricky trappy but am i reallty getting called by that many worse hands?

ty

-dan

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12-29-2009 , 02:48 PM

bearz

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You're getting called by any K so it's a fine spot. It's thin of course, so you're not missing much by checking behind a tougher opponent. I'd bet against most.

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12-29-2009 , 02:54 PM

jackdaniel

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standard vbet and its not that thin due to his flats till river

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12-29-2009 , 03:08 PM

higher_energy

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bet 12.5

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12-29-2009 , 05:22 PM

bearz

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Originally Posted by jackdaniel

standard vbet and its not that thin due to his flats till river

I think its thin because Qx and Kx both play it the same way. You lose to one and beat the other. There's more kings out there cause there's two queens on the board is why it's better to bet, but you're also opening yourself up to a checkraise once in a blue moon.

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12-29-2009 , 06:02 PM

jackdaniel

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Originally Posted by bearz

we are 60% vs his river range and we pretty much bet/fold if inline villan.

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12-29-2009 , 08:34 PM

Briman51

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Two more reasons to bet: he folds some of his queens on the turn, and he almost never c/r bluffs the river.

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12-29-2009 , 10:09 PM

Barewire

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any reads on how lightly he calls? i kinda prefer a bigger bet but i suppose this is fine if he's scared money

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12-30-2009 , 02:49 PM

Aero1441

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Easy river vbet, make it bigger though, $14 and get called by any Kx. Obv we're bet/folding though.

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12-30-2009 , 04:17 PM

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Discipline

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Originally Posted by Barewire

any reads on how lightly he calls? i kinda prefer a bigger bet but i suppose this is fine if he's scared money

The villain has been running us over. He's not scared money.

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12-31-2009 , 12:50 AM

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Barge Ass

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Bet/fold 3/4 pot he's more likely to have a K in his calling range now.

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12-31-2009 , 02:20 AM

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Barewire

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Originally Posted by Discipline

The villain has been running us over. He's not scared money.

yep good point so yea i'm betting $13.50

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12-31-2009 , 04:37 AM

#13

jmil23

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if this is a close spot then i have no idea how to play poker, my standard is bet bet bet all day. $10-12.5

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12-31-2009 , 05:04 AM

#14

leegizz1

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that hand is pretty standarddddd, maybe 4 on flop

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12-31-2009 , 11:08 AM

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Andrex Puppy

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yeah the more i think about it the more i like the line but 12-13 on river looks better

tx.

i think that would be my standard its just that id literally lost ever pot against this guy and i think that i bet less as i was scared of him sucking out again.

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12-31-2009 , 12:59 PM

#16

poloboy4

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Originally Posted by Andrex Puppy

i think that would be my standard its just that id literally lost ever pot against this guy and i think that i bet less as i was scared of him sucking out again.

This happens to the best of us.

Yea I bet this river to get paid off by a K. You're right that it sucks because a Q would play it the same way but sometimes that's life. There are more Ks left in the deck than Qs so I think this is a +EV bet.

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01-02-2010 , 11:46 AM

#17

YouCheckRaise

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Such a sick flop, id prob just check behind

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