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02-19-2009 , 02:17 AM

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Number27

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Originally Posted by snake_eyesUK

I always 3bet TT IP, if called like you said we can control the pot, control the controlables.

So if a 12/10 guy opens UTG you're 3betting him UTG+1?

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02-19-2009 , 02:45 AM

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Navie

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i sometimes 3bet in this spot if CO would steal more and 3bet a % of amount, if his laggy i dont mind doing so, if his nitty i wouldnt mind doing so if he steals a lot or 3bet light quite often, I dont think the short stacker is that good here so i would like to squeeze to isolate here, as u 3bet, call here on the flop.

if u dont wanna 3bet that much then just fold, however, with more history u'd know what to do, thing is, by experimenting and felting these spots, u get more info by 3betting as well+image.

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02-19-2009 , 02:52 AM

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mg0698

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Originally Posted by Exar_Kun

Really just fc TT pf? Ive never really heard this being suggested before unless opponent is tight, not an unknown or a opponent at 50nl. Especially considering we are OOP I thought flat calling pf would kinda suck here ?

ok so when do u want to stack off with TT? only when u flop a set?that is why it is better to flat PF against an UNKNOWN, i'm not saying to never 3bet but when the guy is unknown i rather take the more passive line. When u 3 bet a hand like TT the flop won't always be good so u would be bet folding the flop a lot in which case you might as well have 27o, unless u stack off with TT. If u 3bet TT do it for the right reasons.

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02-19-2009 , 03:00 AM

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theodorant

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Originally Posted by Exar_Kun

If I had 3bet more like I should have, then when he pushes, it would be an easier call. However even then as many have said before our oponents range is likely to be a lot better than ours, and unlikely unless hes spewy to be just overcards like AK, and we dont have enough equity to call.

Is feels spewy to 3bet, cbet and then fold with an overpair in this situation, but on the other hand were v.likely to be beaten so we naturally think about something we could have done differently beforehand.

I really think that in this case, cbet/fold is slighty greater than cbet/call. and that apart from perhaps 3betting a little more pf, theres no easier answer, the situaiton is just crappy.

I think cbet/fold >>>>> cbet/call in this spot with an unknown villain. With history (you 3 bet a lot, he's calling you light) then I can see a 3bet, cbet/call. But against an unknown I don't like 3betting tt and cbet/calling (I'd rather 3bet air instead of tt to be honest)

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