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50NL: TPNK on the turn vs bad/passive player 50NL: TPNK on the turn vs bad/passive player

10-16-2008 , 01:20 PM
Villain is 53/2/0.26 over 45 hands. So he can't be that good.

So yeah, preflop is maybe too loose and normally I would just fold. But I felt yesterday evening and I raise those limpers. No limping on MY button, etc.

Got a loose player in the blinds, which makes my play probably even more discussable, and he calls. I get top pair, so I valuebet. Villain could have anything here, he can have Kx, Jx, A4, a flushdraw, a straightdraw, who knows. The turn blanks kinda. He checks, Hero...

(1) ... bets to charge draws and get value for a jack, checking to induce bluffs is futile against this opponent.

(2) ... checks to go for pot control with a weak, but probably best hand and minimizes losses when villain shows up with a better king.

iPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - iPoker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($52.40)
CO ($49.75)
Hero (Button) ($75.80)
SB ($49.25)
BB ($66.25)
UTG ($64.42)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, K
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.25) 4, J, K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50

Turn: ($14.25) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ..?


edit: title is misleading... sorry.
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10-16-2008 , 01:42 PM
I vote for #2
  • your hand is probably best but it's a small pot hand
  • there's no way you're calling a c/r here if he's picked up a draw or two and semibluffs (although that might too advanced for him)
  • checking may make him decide he can bluff at this pot with ace high or a missed draw
  • it might also make him decide his jack is good and to valuebet the river, which you can call
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10-16-2008 , 01:51 PM
there is absolutely no reason to think you're beat here. you're ip with TP on a drawy board vs a super loose passive fishy player that called a cbet.

im betting this turn almost 100% of the time. he seems so passive that its unlikely, but certainly not impossible, that he'll bluff the river. so i would bet to charge draws and get called by weaker made hands. Then you can possibly check behind on the river. you can easily fold to a raise anywhere
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10-16-2008 , 01:57 PM
after taking a second look at his stats and reading danny's post above, I think I agree betting might be better. his aggression factor is so absurdly low that three of the four reasons I cited become invalid (he's not semibluff c/ring, he's not bluffing a missed hand on the river, and he may not even valuebet a weaker hand after your turn check behind.)

I think you bet the turn and charge him to continue with worse hands, although you'll never know if he has you beat and is just super passive. but you have to play the odds and odds are you're ahead. bet the turn.
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10-16-2008 , 05:27 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I think danny8 sums it up pretty nicely. There is no reason to think we are beat here, so we bet again. So the villain calls but we river an interesting card. Check behind or bet, and if so: how much?

iPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - iPoker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($52.40)
CO ($49.75)
Hero (Button) ($75.80)
SB ($49.25)
BB ($66.25)
UTG ($64.42)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, K
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.25) 4, J, K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50

Turn: ($14.25) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($30.25) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ..?
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10-16-2008 , 07:27 PM
B/f 1/2 psb.
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10-17-2008 , 04:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4thewin
B/f 1/2 psb.
Exactly what I did. He called $15 w/ K7 and MHIG. What a guy.
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10-17-2008 , 04:51 AM
wellplayed
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10-17-2008 , 05:02 AM
NH. Good value-betting, good suck-out-skills. If the 6 hadn't come on the river, you probably should have checked behind, though.
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