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50nl, tough spot with top 2 deep 50nl, tough spot with top 2 deep

04-08-2014 , 01:47 PM
Btn is tag reg, has been isolating the fish in CO in 2-3 spots earlier, but nthg out of the line.



[converted_hand][hand_history] $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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UTG: $56.14 (112.3 bb)
MP: $52 (104 bb)
CO: $134.94 (269.9 bb)
BTN: $110.45 (220.9 bb)
Hero (SB): $113.02 (226 bb)
BB: $52.75 (105.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J A
2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.50, Hero calls $4.25, BB folds, CO calls $3

Flop: ($14) A J 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($14) T (3 players)
Hero bets $7.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $23, [color="grey"]Hero ?


With these stacks preflop flatting is my default, I like mixing in some 3bets here and there.

Otf I can see him firing any A, probably any J and sets, his flop cbet is 75% over small sample.

Ott folding is too weak tight but when he raises I can almost rule most hands I can beat, it all starts to look like he got lucky.



Hero?

Thanx in advance!
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04-08-2014 , 02:15 PM
fold. Also turn bet sizing is poor.
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04-08-2014 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tolis

Ott folding is too weak tight but when he raises I can almost rule most hands I can beat, it all starts to look like he got lucky.
Call down and lose then lol. He's not bluffing here when you bet into 2 people and he checks back the flop.

Imo it's a pretty easy fold.
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04-08-2014 , 02:18 PM
It´s a pretty easy fold IMO
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04-08-2014 , 02:35 PM
Snapfold, its KQ 99% of the time and once in a blue moon TT.
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04-08-2014 , 03:02 PM
Thanx guys. The hand occured during a challenging session full of coolers, it gave me some 2nd thinking and decided to post.

I folded. Folding top 2 makes me sick almost by definition but here I sense that I got turned.

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04-08-2014 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoshimiii
fold. Also turn bet sizing is poor.
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Don't get confused between my personality and attitude. My personality is who I am, my attitude depends on who you are.
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04-08-2014 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Patje90
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Don't get confused between my personality and attitude. My personality is who I am, my attitude depends on who you are.
Why making this so personal?

It's the end of a long day so I am not confident that what you wanna say is clear to me, but can (reasonably imo) sense some negative aura here.
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04-08-2014 , 08:49 PM
I would donk flop, with fish in pot, btn reg c bet range will be tighter since fish will never fold any broadways. Your goal here is to get chips from fish, its much easier than trying to outplay reg in position 200bb+ deep.

AP I would probably call and evaluate on river. Eff stacks would be 75 with 60 in pot so plenty of space to make decision there.
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04-08-2014 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Yettos
I would donk flop, with fish in pot, btn reg c bet range will be tighter since fish will never fold any broadways. Your goal here is to get chips from fish, its much easier than trying to outplay reg in position 200bb+ deep.
Surprised no one said this sooner. Donking flop is by far the best flop line.

Turn is annoying and I think folding is fine. He's not really raising JT or AT and he probably elects to call pair + GS type crap IP rather than bluffraise. Our cold call pre also reps JJ and TT really well (even tho our turn sizing doesn't) and if we're cold calling this I'd imagine we have some KQs as well so we obviously have a pretty strong range and shouldn't be worried too much about getting bluffed here.
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04-09-2014 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tolis
Why making this so personal?

It's the end of a long day so I am not confident that what you wanna say is clear to me, but can (reasonably imo) sense some negative aura here.
Oh no, it is just my signature. It has nothing to do with you

Don't get confused between my personality and attitude. My personality is who I am, my attitude depends on who you are.
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04-09-2014 , 04:01 AM
Donking flop is silly.
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04-09-2014 , 04:03 AM
cold 4bet preflop based on what you've described preflop > calling>folding tbh

Really good hand for it too
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04-09-2014 , 04:47 AM
Bet flop
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04-09-2014 , 05:25 AM
I would 4 bet pre this deep. OOP and with capped range the hand is more difficult to play profitably.
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04-09-2014 , 07:32 AM
Thanx for the replies.

4betting is indeed as an option as said earlier, but I guess chasing out the fish is not the best idea. It can also chase away the reg, if my assumptions are right dominated hands are in his iso range. Sample is small but cannot really exclude weaker aces, weaker jacks and even weaker high card hands, why not keep them around?

As for the lead.. I recently had a conversation about FPS over here, I think leading an example of such plays. It pretty much limits my perceived range to 2 pair or better imo, had the flop been 2tone the play would make way more sense. Even if the reg is sitting on some AK I would not expect to get the action I want. And due to action so far the fish's range is probably also wide, due to card removal he has few aces and jacks.

As said earlier the spot looked really tough in real time. My bruised ego from folding top 2 led to a lot of 2nd thinking that followed me after the session was over, so I decided to post and hear some views on it. I am now confident that I made the right decision.
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